Tough Energy problem Law of conservation of energy

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the conservation of energy when a ball is thrown downwards and collides with the floor. The original speed of the ball was calculated to be 4.13 m/s, but the second part of the problem, which requires finding the new height after accounting for energy loss, proved challenging. Participants noted that 30% of the ball's energy is transformed into thermal energy during the collision, affecting its ability to reach the original height. One contributor calculated the new height to be approximately 2.01 m using energy equations, while another struggled to understand the mathematical representation of energy loss. The consensus indicates that the ball does not return to its original height due to energy loss, highlighting the complexities of energy transformations in physics.
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Homework Statement


Bill throws a 10.0g (0.0100kg) straight down froma height of 2.0m. The ball strikes the floor at a speed of 7.5 m/s.
a) what was the original speed of the ball?
b) if 30% of the balls energy is transformed in thermal energy during the collision with the floor, find the new height reached by the ball.

Homework Equations


\frac{1}{2}mv^2 + mgh = \frac{1}{2}mv'^2 + mgh'
\sum{E} = \sum{E'}

The Attempt at a Solution


A) i solved this fairly easily and got the right answer.

v = \sqrt{\frac{2\left(\frac{1}{2}mv'^2 - mgh\right)}{m}}

v initial = 4.13 m/s

B) this is the toughy...[/color]

The answer is supposed to be 2.0 m. i attempted to rearrange the question including the initial kinetic energy + initial potential = end potential and solve for h. but i didnt get it. A friend of mine told me i don't need to include work done by NC forces in this equation. i think i got 1.7m, i know that if i just have initial potential energy = to kinetic energy @ the point of collision.. when losing 30% of energy, it isn't supposed to reach the same height correct? Which leads be to believe that the person throwing the ball supplied the additional 30% energy to return it to the 2.0m height. I don't understand how to mathmatically show how to solve to get h' = 2.0m..

Thanks,
Senjai
 
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I get 2.01 m for (b). I just did
E = .7*.5*m*v^2 = .7*.5*.01*7.5^2 = .1969 J
.28125 = mgh
 
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