Trace-reverse field in linearized GR

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The discussion revolves around the trace-reverse field in the context of linearized General Relativity (GR). Participants explore the implications of using the trace-reversed metric perturbation and its effects on the equations of motion derived from the Lagrangian for weak gravitational fields.

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  • One participant presents a Lagrangian for weak perturbations in the metric and derives the equations of motion, expressing confusion over the trace-reverse field leading to what appears to be an inconsistency.
  • The same participant notes that using the trace-reverse leads to a Lagrangian that seems identical to the original, resulting in the same equations of motion.
  • Another participant questions the notation and suggests that contracting the derived equation with the metric implies a specific result for the trace, which could resolve the perceived inconsistency.
  • The first participant acknowledges the second participant's input as resolving their confusion but expresses curiosity about the necessity of the trace-reversed field in their GR book.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of the trace-reversed field, though one participant's confusion is addressed. The discussion reflects a mix of agreement on the mathematical implications while leaving the broader question of the trace-reversed field's utility unresolved.

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The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings in notation and the implications of contracting equations, but does not resolve the broader question of the trace-reversed field's role in linearized GR.

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Ok I feel like there is a really simple answer to this but I've been trying to get this to work for days and I just can't. Here is the basic problem:
The "free-field" lagrangian for weak perturbations in the metric on a flat space is:
[tex]L = \frac{1}{4}(\partial^\sigma h_{\mu\nu}\partial_\sigma h^{\mu\nu} - \partial^\mu h \partial_\mu h)+\frac{1}{2}\partial_\mu h^{\mu\nu}(\partial_\nu h - \partial^\sigma h_{\nu\sigma})[/tex]
Solving for the E-L equations, and using the gauge [tex]\partial_\nu h^{\mu\nu}=\frac{1}{2}\partial^\mu h[/tex], I get the following equation:
[tex]\partial^\sigma\partial_\sigma h_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2} \eta_{\mu\nu}\partial^\mu\partial_\mu h = 0[/tex]
and plugging in the trace-reverse of h, it is easy to get the final result:
[tex]\partial^\sigma\partial_\sigma \overline{h}_{\mu\nu} = 0[/tex]

So far this all agrees with my GR book (which doesn't take the lagrangian approach so its a good check). The problem I'm having is when I try to use the trace reverse from step 1. The lagrangian I get (I pre-set the same gauge as above to save myself some typing) is:
[tex]L = \frac{1}{4}\partial^\sigma \overline{h}_{\mu\nu}\partial_\sigma \overline{h}^{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{8}\partial^\mu \overline{h} \partial_\mu \overline{h}[/tex]
However, this is EXACTLY the same lagrangian as the normal field (again, only after the gauge I mentioned has been set), and will therefore give the same EOM. So in the end I get:
[tex]\partial^\sigma\partial_\sigma \overline{h}_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2} \eta_{\mu\nu}\partial^\sigma\partial_\sigma \overline{h} = 0[/tex]
Am I going crazy?? My logic seems sound but this is an OBVIOUS inconsistancy. I'd be tempted to just ignore the trace-reversed field but it makes a lot of things simpler and I'd rather use it...
 
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Perhaps I misunderstand your notation, but if [tex]\bar{h} = \eta^{ab} \bar{h}_{ab}[/tex] then doesn't your last equation imply (by contracting with [tex]\eta[/tex]) that [tex]\partial^a \partial_a \bar{h} = 0[/tex] and hence that [tex]\partial^a \partial_a \bar{h}_{bc} = 0[/tex].

I haven't checked anything else you said, but I'll be back later if this doesn't help.
 
wow, your right, that completely resolved the "inconsistency". Thanks, I've been staring at these equations for waaaay too long. Now I'm just wondering why my GR book even bothered with the trace-reversed field since you can get the same equation for the regular one.
 

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