Transcriptional start sites are called promoters

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The discussion centers on the concept of core promoters in transcription. A core promoter is defined as the essential element for the specific initiation of transcription, while a promoter encompasses a broader DNA region that includes transcription factor binding sites, akin to enhancers. Participants clarify that transcriptional start sites (TSSs) are not the same as promoters; rather, the promoter region includes the TSS and extends upstream. The core promoter is highlighted as containing critical elements like the TATA box and the ATG start codon. There is also mention of the applicability of the core promoter concept across different domains of life, including eukaryotes, bacteria, and archaea. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify terminology and deepen understanding of molecular biology concepts. Additionally, there is a proposal to create a new thread for molecular biology questions and answers, fostering further discussion and learning.
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I know that transcriptional start sites are called promoters. My professor made reference to a "core promoter" on a day that I missed class (looking at notes from that day). I am not familiar with this terminology, can anyone help me out here?
 
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The core promoter is the element for specific initiation of transcription wheres as the promoter is DNA region which also contain transcription factor binding sites similar to enhancers.
I have only seen core promoter used for eucarya type of transcription but it could also be for bacteria and archea.
 


Originally posted by rockind78
I know that transcriptional start sites are called promoters.
TSSs are not promotors, the region upstream and including TSS is a promotor. I guess the core promotor would describe the most important elements for transcription to take place, such as a TATA box and the ATG.
 


Originally posted by Monique
TSSs are not promotors, the region upstream and including TSS is a promotor.

You are right. I don't know what I was thinking...brain lapse I guess.[zz)] Ian pretty much hit on the head with the core promoter thing. I actually found it in my textbook. If you haven't looked at 'em already, the "Genes" books by Lewin are excellent.
 
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