Transducer Amplifier: Benefits & Use for 0-30mV Output

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the benefits and considerations of using an amplifier for a load cell output of 0-30mV in a data acquisition system. Participants explore the implications of signal amplification, noise reduction, and compatibility with existing data acquisition hardware.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Jamie questions the necessity of an additional amplifier given that the data acquisition card has its own programmable gain instrumentation amplifier, which is designed to maintain resolution during digital conversion.
  • Some participants suggest that amplifiers can attenuate noise while amplifying the signal, raising the question of whether it would be beneficial to purchase or build one.
  • Mike mentions that validation testing often involves multiple load cells and strain gauges, highlighting potential issues with noise and the importance of experience in bonding strain gauges.
  • Mike also notes that PC-based data acquisition systems may be noisier and limited in range, suggesting that dedicated solutions with built-in amplifiers are preferable for sensitive data acquisition.
  • Bob emphasizes the importance of understanding the load cell's differential output and the need for an operational amplifier with a high common mode rejection ratio to effectively amplify small differential voltages.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and benefits of additional amplification, with some advocating for dedicated amplifiers while others highlight the capabilities of the existing data acquisition system. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the specific characteristics of the load cell and the data acquisition system, as well as the potential impact of electrical noise on measurements.

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Hi there. I currently have a system that is about to have a load cell installed. The output of the load cell with the 15V excitation voltage will be 0-30mv (2mv/V sensitivity). Now forgive me for asking, as I am not knowledgeable in this area (I have some electronics background, being a Mechatronic engineer, but there are many gaps in my knowledge), but what are the benefits of either buying, or making an amplifier? Our data acquisition card can accept analogue input voltages ranging from -10 to 10V. From reading the manual, it has its own PGIA (programmable gain instrumentation amplifier) that is supposed to dynamically adjust gain so that full resolution is still maintained in the digital conversion. Therefore, my thinking was that if the DAQ card has its own amplifier and resolution is kept intact, that perhaps an amplifier would really be needed?
However I've spoken to a few more people and I heard that you can get amplifiers that attenuates noise while amplifying only the signal? Is this true? In this case would it be beneficial to buy one, or if possible even make one?

Thanks for any help,

Jamie
 
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james2286 said:
However I've spoken to a few more people and I heard that you can get amplifiers that attenuates noise while amplifying only the signal? Is this true? In this case would it be beneficial to buy one, or if possible even make one?
What is your application? Most transducers I've worked with will provide a means to calibrate and are purchased with a output that is compatible with you acquisition system.
 
Most of the guys who are doing validation testing on a machine put load cells / strain gauges everywhere and route them to central data acquisition systems. There's a lot that can go wrong with this method. Particularly if you don't have experience bonding strain gauges and electrical noise gets into your system.

Then again, in this case, you have a lot of data to collect, so a Fluke data bucket, or an HP data acq is the way to go.

PC based data acquisition systems tend to be noisier and are more limited in range, so I don't recommend them for sensitive data acq.

For products, such as scales, the cost and performance drives you towards a dedicated solution with an amp. It's much easier to sell the end user a guaranteed stable 0-5 volt output than a hopefully functional -?/+? mV.

- Mike
 
Your load cell voltage output is almost certainly a differential output, and not referenced to either ground or Vcc (+ 15 volts). So an operational amplifier set up to amplify small differential voltages with a good (high) common mode rejection ratio is essential. We need more detailed information on your specific load cell specifications.
Bob S
 

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