Transfer function of third order filter

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The discussion revolves around solving a third-order filter problem involving KVL and KCL equations. The user initially struggles with substitutions to express V_c1 in terms of Vs and Vout, leading to unproductive results. After several attempts, they eventually find the correct answer but seek advice on how to choose effective substitutions more efficiently in a timed scenario. Additionally, they express frustration with the complexity of the algebra involved in deriving the transfer function H(ω). The conversation highlights the challenges of balancing circuit analysis with complex algebra skills.
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Hello, I am trying to do this example problem in my textbook
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I have my KVL and KCL equations written. I am trying to use substitutions to find V_c1 in terms of Vs and also in terms of Vout, so I can find Vout in terms of Vs. However, it seems like no matter what sequence of substitutions I do yield 0 = 0, and I am not making progress in finding the answer.

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Here is my closest attempt so far

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Edit: I followed through with the algebra and it turns out to give the correct answer. My question though is this: I sort of chose to do this substitution from exhaustion. Meaning, I tried many other substitutions that yielded nothing. In a timed situation, how do I know which substitution I should make so I don't waste time trying other ones that are dead ends?
 
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Well, since I got the part with the impedances correct, I am having a hell of a time trying to get it in the form they have with the H(ω). Any tips for this? I am trying to multiply by the complex conjugate but the algebra here is way too much and its too easy to make a mistake.
 
You need to make use of this:

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Then you can proceed like this:

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Thanks for that. I will look carefully over these steps.
 
I'm having trouble getting from

''After we make these substitutions...we get these results''
 
I finally got it. That is such an annoying problem. Sometimes I wonder if this is a circuits class or a complex algebra class...
 
Maylis said:
Sometimes I wonder if this is a circuits class or a complex algebra class...

Count yourself lucky. If it hadn't been for Steinmetz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Proteus_Steinmetz

you would be solving simultaneous differential equations instead of simple algebra with complex arithmetic! :smile:
 

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