Transform the region and compute the integral

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This discussion revolves around a problem involving the transformation of coordinates in a double integral, specifically using the transformation \( x=au \) and \( y=bv \) to map a region defined by an ellipse onto the \( uv \) plane. The integral to evaluate is related to the area of this transformed region.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of the region and the setup of the integral in polar coordinates. There is an exploration of the Jacobian and its role in the transformation process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified a potential oversight regarding the Jacobian when transitioning from \( xy \)-space to \( uv \)-space. Guidance has been offered regarding the necessary factors to include in the integral setup, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, referencing specific equations and transformations from the textbook. There is an acknowledgment of a discrepancy between the calculated result and the expected answer from the book.

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Homework Statement



This is an exercise from Taylor & Mann page 468 Q5 :

Use the transformation x=au and y=bv to map the region R defined by [itex]\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} ≤ 1[/itex] onto the uv plane.

Evaluate : [itex]\int \int_R \frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} dxdy[/itex]

with the aid of this transofrm and polar coordinates.

Homework Equations



[itex]\int \int_R F(x,y) dxdy = \int \int_{R'} G(u,v)|J| dudv[/itex]

Where |J| is the Jacobian.

The Attempt at a Solution



So if R is defined to be [itex]\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} ≤ 1[/itex], then using the transformation x=au and y=bv we define a new region R' by [itex]u^2 + v^2 ≤ 1[/itex]

Now I can easily set up a Cartesian integral in terms of u and v, but the point is to use polars to simplify things.

So let u = rcosθ and v = rsinθ and hence R' becomes [itex]r ≤ 1[/itex] since r>0 for [itex]0 ≤ θ ≤ 2π[/itex]

The Jacobian of polars is just r, so J = r.

Using all this information, our integral becomes :

[itex]\int_{0}^{1} \int_{0}^{2π} r^3 dθdr = \pi/2[/itex]

I'm getting the feeling I'm missing something here as the answer at the back of the book is πab/2 which sadly my integral almost evaluates to, but not quite.

Any pointers?
 
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Just a slight careless mistake when you went from xy-space to uv-space:
dx = a du
dy = b dv
This returns you the factor of ab that you are missing.
 
Zondrina said:

Homework Statement



This is an exercise from Taylor & Mann page 468 Q5 :

Use the transformation x=au and y=bv to map the region R defined by [itex]\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} ≤ 1[/itex] onto the uv plane.

Evaluate : [itex]\int \int_R \frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} dxdy[/itex]

with the aid of this transofrm and polar coordinates.

Homework Equations



[itex]\int \int_R F(x,y) dxdy = \int \int_{R'} G(u,v)|J| dudv[/itex]

Where |J| is the Jacobian.

The Attempt at a Solution



So if R is defined to be [itex]\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} ≤ 1[/itex], then using the transformation x=au and y=bv we define a new region R' by [itex]u^2 + v^2 ≤ 1[/itex]

Now I can easily set up a Cartesian integral in terms of u and v, but the point is to use polars to simplify things.

So let u = rcosθ and v = rsinθ and hence R' becomes [itex]r ≤ 1[/itex] since r>0 for [itex]0 ≤ θ ≤ 2π[/itex]

The Jacobian of polars is just r, so J = r.

Using all this information, our integral becomes :

[itex]\int_{0}^{1} \int_{0}^{2π} r^3 dθdr = \pi/2[/itex]

I'm getting the feeling I'm missing something here as the answer at the back of the book is πab/2 which sadly my integral almost evaluates to, but not quite.

Any pointers?

What happened to the Jacobian of the transformation (x,y)->(u,v)?
 
Fightfish said:
Just a slight careless mistake when you went from xy-space to uv-space:
dx = a du
dy = b dv
This returns you the factor of ab that you are missing.

Ahhhhh thank you good sir :) I got the answer I wanted now.
 
Dick said:
What happened to the Jacobian of the transformation (x,y)->(u,v)?

The Jacobian of polars is just r so yeah.
 

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