Transforming Elements: Breaking Down Car Emissions

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The discussion centers on the chemical processes involved in forming and breaking down molecules, specifically water and car emissions. To create water from hydrogen and oxygen, sufficient energy is required to form covalent bonds, which can be demonstrated using a simple setup with a balloon and flame. Conversely, splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen also requires significant energy, often at extremely high temperatures, along with techniques to prevent recombination of the gases. The conversation highlights that while energy is essential for these reactions, time and catalysts also play crucial roles in the speed of reactions. Additionally, breaking down car emissions into carbon and oxygen involves similar energy considerations, as the energy used in combustion must be accounted for when attempting to revert the products back to their elemental forms.
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Hi there,

I'm trying to figure out how this works but I'm not having much luck. Doesn't help that I'm not a science person to start with, so I'm hoping somebody here can help me out.

I understand the basic idea that if you have 2 Hydrogen atoms + 1 Oxygen atoms you can somehow convert the 3 separate atoms to create 1 water molecule.

But how does that actually happen?

Does it require a particle accelerator or something to do?

For what I'm specifically looking to understand is how to break down car emmissions - carbon mon-oxide and carbon di-oxide into their basic atoms of carbon and oxygen.

But I haven't got a clue how to do it.

Can somebody provide some insight on how this is actually done?

Thanks.
 
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CanadianChris said:
Does it require a particle accelerator or something to do?
No, just sufficient energy to form covalent bonds. In fact, you can create water using nothing more than a balloon filled with oxygen and hydrogen in a 1:2 ratio and a flame, I'm surprise you've never seen this demonstration.
 
How much energy are we talking about?

Is energy the only thing that is needed to do this process? I.e. if I have the oxygen and the hydrogen atoms present, I don't need anything else aside from the energy?

What if I'm trying to do the reverse and split the molecule? I.e. if I'm trying to splie a water molecule into it's hydrogen and oxygen atoms? Does that simply require energy as well?
 
CanadianChris said:
Does that simply require energy as well?
Yes, lots of energy (think several tens of thousands of degrees in temperature)...but also, some technique to quickly separate the oxygen from hydrogen before they recombine.

As for breaking down your car emissions - what's the point of that?
 
How much energy are we talking about?


Depends on what you want to make and how much.

Is energy the only thing that is needed to do this process? I.e. if I have the oxygen and the hydrogen atoms present, I don't need anything else aside from the energy?


Yes...but you also need time. A reaction might go in the direction of your product because there is enough energy put into it, but this doesn't mean that it will happen quickly. Some reactions happen spontaneously but take 100s and thousands of years to go to completion. Catalysts offer us a way to make the same reaction go much faster. Kinetic and Thermodynamic perspectives of a reaction can be much much different in certain situations.

What if I'm trying to do the reverse and split the molecule? I.e. if I'm trying to splie a water molecule into it's hydrogen and oxygen atoms? Does that simply require energy as well?

Yes.
 
CanadianChris said:
How much energy are we talking about?
Look up the bond enthalpies for H-O bonds. How much chemistry do you know?
 
CanadianChris, pleasae understand that there is conservation of energy. A car gets the energy to move by changing hydrocarbons and oxygen into (mostly) carbon dioxide and water. Splitting these back into their constituent molecules requires all of the energy that you gained from burning the hydrocarbon in the first place (or even more if you want to keep them in element form).
 
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