Transients in 1st order RL DC circuits

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of current in a first-order RL DC circuit, particularly focusing on the dynamics of an inductor when a switch is opened. Participants explore the implications of current splitting at junctions, the role of voltage across the inductor, and the relationship between current and resistance in the circuit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the current through the inductor is stated to be 20 A after the switch is opened, suggesting that current should split at junctions.
  • Another participant explains that before the switch is opened, the inductor allows the full current of 20 A to pass through it, as it theoretically offers no resistance over time.
  • There is a clarification that at the moment the switch is opened, the inductor cannot instantaneously change the current, so it starts to decay from 20 A.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the voltage across the inductor being zero, with one participant asserting that this means no current flows through any resistors.
  • Questions arise regarding the relationship between voltage and current in resistors and inductors, with a participant seeking to understand why zero voltage across the inductor implies zero current through resistors.
  • One participant asserts that a wire with zero resistance can carry current, drawing a distinction between the behavior of inductors and resistors in terms of voltage and current relationships.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of current in the circuit, particularly regarding the implications of the inductor's voltage and the splitting of current at junctions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations of the circuit's behavior.

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Participants reference the theoretical behavior of inductors and resistors, but the discussion includes assumptions about ideal conditions that may not account for practical limitations in real circuits.

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The solution states that after the switch is opened the initial current through the inductor is 20 A (in the pink box). I don't understand why its 20A. Surely the current has split at circuit junctions meaning the current arriving at the inductor is less than 20A?

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Before the switch was opened, you had a 20A source feeding through a combination of resistors - but with a path through an inductor. Over time, the inductor will, in theory, offer no resistance, so the full current will pass through that inductor.
At the moment the switch is opened, the inductor will start to lose current, but that takes time. So at t=0, the inductor is still at 20A.
 
.Scott said:
Before the switch was opened, you had a 20A source feeding through a combination of resistors - but with a path through an inductor. Over time, the inductor will, in theory, offer no resistance, so the full current will pass through that inductor.
At the moment the switch is opened, the inductor will start to lose current, but that takes time. So at t=0, the inductor is still at 20A.

So you are saying that before the switch was opened, the current did not split at junctions and instead traveled straight to the inductor?

Thanks
 
rude man said:
No. Before the switch is opened, the voltage across the inductor is zero, meaning no current thru any resistor. So the current flows exclusively thru the inductor.After the switch is opened, the current through the inductor cannot change instantaneously so it decays starting with 20A.

I see. One question (perhaps an obvious question), why does the voltage across the inductor equalling zero mean no current through any resistor?

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influx said:
So you are saying that before the switch was opened, the current did not split at junctions and instead traveled straight to the inductor?

Thanks

Yes, because the inductor voltage before the switch is opened is zero, so no current flows thru any of the resistors.
 
influx said:
I see. One question (perhaps an obvious question), why does the voltage across the inductor equalling zero mean no current through any resistor?

Thanks
Because I = V/R and V = 0.
 
The inductor eventually becomes a short circuit.
 
rude man said:
Because I = V/R and V = 0.

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In the above circuit, would all the current travel through the wire (labelled with a red arrow) since it offers no resistance (theoretically)?

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influx said:
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In the above circuit, would all the current travel through the wire (labelled with a red arrow) since it offers no resistance (theoretically)?

Thanks

Yes.

Again, what's the voltage across the current source?
So, can there be any current in any resistor?
 
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rude man said:
Because I = V/R and V = 0.

The current of the inductor is given by I inductor = Vinductor/Rinductor, so surely if the voltage across the inductor is 0, then the current through the inductor is also 0 (rather than the current in the resistors)? I am not questioning your answer, just trying to understand.

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influx said:
The current of the inductor is given by I inductor = Vinductor/Rinductor, so surely if the voltage across the inductor is 0, then the current through the inductor is also 0 (rather than the current in the resistors)? I am not questioning your answer, just trying to understand.

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Well, what about a plain old wire? It has zero volts across it by definition, but can't it carry a whopping amount of current?

If the current thru an inductor is not changing it looks exactly like a wire since V = L di/dt. Whereas for a rsistor, V = R i so that even if the current isn't changing (di/dt = 0) there must be a voltage across it. Voltage and current track each other in time perfectly in a pure resistor.
 

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