Translation and rotation of quadric surface

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The discussion focuses on how to transform the general equation of a quadric surface, given by Ax^2 + By^2 + Cz^2 + Dxy + Eyz + Fxz + Gx + Hy + Iz + J = 0, into simpler forms like Ax^2 + By^2 + J = 0 or Ax^2 + By^2 + Iz = 0 through translation and rotation. Participants note that the constants and variables differ between the forms, complicating the transformation. A mathematical approach involves using a symmetric matrix to diagonalize the quadratic form, allowing for the application of rotation matrices. Completing the squares for non-zero diagonal entries is suggested as a method to achieve the desired forms. The conversation also touches on the absence of relevant textbook chapters, indicating a gap in available resources for learning these transformations.
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This is not homework. I try to study calculus by myself using James Stewart book and below is part of text that I want to ask about
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I want to ask how ##Ax^2+By^2+Cz^2+Dxy+Eyz+Fxz+Gx+Hy+Iz+J=0## can be brought to ##Ax^2+By^2+Cz^2+J=0## or ##Ax^2+By^2+Iz=0## using translation and rotation. There is no explanation in the book. What kind of translation and rotation are needed?

Thanks
 
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(1) The constants in the various forms are not the same.

(2) The variables int he various forms are not the same.

The general form can be written <br /> \begin{pmatrix} x &amp; y &amp; z \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} A &amp; \frac12D &amp; \frac12 F \\ \frac12 D &amp; B &amp; \frac12 E \\ \frac12 F &amp; \frac12 E &amp; C \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x \\y \\ z \end{pmatrix} + \begin{pmatrix} G &amp; H &amp; I \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix} + J = \mathbf{x}^TM\mathbf{x} + \mathbf{b}^T \mathbf{x} + J = 0. Now M is symmetric, so its eigenvalues are real and it has a basis of orthogonal eigenvectors; thus there exists a rotation (ie. a matrix R with determinant 1 such that R^{-1} = R^T) such that R^{-1}MR is diagonal. What happens if you now set \mathbf{x} = R\mathbf{X} in the general form and complete the squares in each variable for which the corresponding diagonal entry of R^{-1}MR is non-zero?
 
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songoku said:
I try to study calculus by myself using James Stewart book...

I want to ask how ##Ax^2+By^2+Cz^2+Dxy+Eyz+Fxz+Gx+Hy+Iz+J=0## can be brought to ##Ax^2+By^2+Cz^2+J=0## or ##Ax^2+By^2+Iz=0## using translation and rotation. There is no explanation in the book.

They took out that whole chapter? Nice! I remember *hating* that chapter. :oldruck:
 
pasmith said:
(1) The constants in the various forms are not the same.

(2) The variables int he various forms are not the same.

The general form can be written <br /> \begin{pmatrix} x &amp; y &amp; z \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} A &amp; \frac12D &amp; \frac12 F \\ \frac12 D &amp; B &amp; \frac12 E \\ \frac12 F &amp; \frac12 E &amp; C \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x \\y \\ z \end{pmatrix} + \begin{pmatrix} G &amp; H &amp; I \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix} + J = \mathbf{x}^TM\mathbf{x} + \mathbf{b}^T \mathbf{x} + J = 0. Now M is symmetric, so its eigenvalues are real and it has a basis of orthogonal eigenvectors; thus there exists a rotation (ie. a matrix R with determinant 1 such that R^{-1} = R^T) such that R^{-1}MR is diagonal. What happens if you now set \mathbf{x} = R\mathbf{X} in the general form and complete the squares in each variable for which the corresponding diagonal entry of R^{-1}MR is non-zero?
I will try first and update what I have done.

e_jane said:
They took out that whole chapter? Nice! I remember *hating* that chapter. :oldruck:
Can you maybe tell me the name of the chapter or anything related to the transformation of quadric surface so I can learn the basic?

Thanks
 
e_jane said:
They took out that whole chapter? Nice! I remember *hating* that chapter. :oldruck:
songoku said:
Can you maybe tell me the name of the chapter or anything related to the transformation of quadric surface so I can learn the basic?

I sold that textbook back to the university's bookstore about thirty years ago. Sorry.
 

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