Translation and rotation of quadric surface

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of a general quadric surface represented by the equation ##Ax^2+By^2+Cz^2+Dxy+Eyz+Fxz+Gx+Hy+Iz+J=0## into simpler forms such as ##Ax^2+By^2+Cz^2+J=0## or ##Ax^2+By^2+Iz=0## through the application of translation and rotation techniques. Participants are exploring the mathematical principles involved in these transformations.

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  • Some participants discuss the differences in constants and variables between the general and simplified forms. There is mention of expressing the general form in matrix notation and the implications of diagonalizing the matrix associated with the quadric surface. Questions arise regarding the specific transformations needed and the process of completing the squares after applying rotation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical concepts and sharing their thoughts on the transformations. Some are attempting to work through the problem and plan to update their progress. There is a request for additional resources or chapter references related to quadric surfaces, indicating a desire for further learning.

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There is a mention of a chapter being removed from a textbook, which may have contained relevant explanations or examples related to the transformation of quadric surfaces. This absence may be influencing the participants' understanding and approach to the problem.

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This is not homework. I try to study calculus by myself using James Stewart book and below is part of text that I want to ask about
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I want to ask how ##Ax^2+By^2+Cz^2+Dxy+Eyz+Fxz+Gx+Hy+Iz+J=0## can be brought to ##Ax^2+By^2+Cz^2+J=0## or ##Ax^2+By^2+Iz=0## using translation and rotation. There is no explanation in the book. What kind of translation and rotation are needed?

Thanks
 
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(1) The constants in the various forms are not the same.

(2) The variables int he various forms are not the same.

The general form can be written <br /> \begin{pmatrix} x &amp; y &amp; z \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} A &amp; \frac12D &amp; \frac12 F \\ \frac12 D &amp; B &amp; \frac12 E \\ \frac12 F &amp; \frac12 E &amp; C \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x \\y \\ z \end{pmatrix} + \begin{pmatrix} G &amp; H &amp; I \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix} + J = \mathbf{x}^TM\mathbf{x} + \mathbf{b}^T \mathbf{x} + J = 0. Now M is symmetric, so its eigenvalues are real and it has a basis of orthogonal eigenvectors; thus there exists a rotation (ie. a matrix R with determinant 1 such that R^{-1} = R^T) such that R^{-1}MR is diagonal. What happens if you now set \mathbf{x} = R\mathbf{X} in the general form and complete the squares in each variable for which the corresponding diagonal entry of R^{-1}MR is non-zero?
 
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songoku said:
I try to study calculus by myself using James Stewart book...

I want to ask how ##Ax^2+By^2+Cz^2+Dxy+Eyz+Fxz+Gx+Hy+Iz+J=0## can be brought to ##Ax^2+By^2+Cz^2+J=0## or ##Ax^2+By^2+Iz=0## using translation and rotation. There is no explanation in the book.

They took out that whole chapter? Nice! I remember *hating* that chapter. :oldruck:
 
pasmith said:
(1) The constants in the various forms are not the same.

(2) The variables int he various forms are not the same.

The general form can be written <br /> \begin{pmatrix} x &amp; y &amp; z \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} A &amp; \frac12D &amp; \frac12 F \\ \frac12 D &amp; B &amp; \frac12 E \\ \frac12 F &amp; \frac12 E &amp; C \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x \\y \\ z \end{pmatrix} + \begin{pmatrix} G &amp; H &amp; I \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix} + J = \mathbf{x}^TM\mathbf{x} + \mathbf{b}^T \mathbf{x} + J = 0. Now M is symmetric, so its eigenvalues are real and it has a basis of orthogonal eigenvectors; thus there exists a rotation (ie. a matrix R with determinant 1 such that R^{-1} = R^T) such that R^{-1}MR is diagonal. What happens if you now set \mathbf{x} = R\mathbf{X} in the general form and complete the squares in each variable for which the corresponding diagonal entry of R^{-1}MR is non-zero?
I will try first and update what I have done.

e_jane said:
They took out that whole chapter? Nice! I remember *hating* that chapter. :oldruck:
Can you maybe tell me the name of the chapter or anything related to the transformation of quadric surface so I can learn the basic?

Thanks
 
e_jane said:
They took out that whole chapter? Nice! I remember *hating* that chapter. :oldruck:
songoku said:
Can you maybe tell me the name of the chapter or anything related to the transformation of quadric surface so I can learn the basic?

I sold that textbook back to the university's bookstore about thirty years ago. Sorry.
 
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