Translation operator on a sphere

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a translation operator for a particle, specifically an electron, in the presence of a magnetic field produced by a Dirac monopole, and how this operator behaves on a spherical surface compared to a flat plane. Participants explore both the theoretical and practical implications of these operators in different geometrical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in finding translation operators in both the presence and absence of a magnetic field.
  • Another participant provides a form of the translation operator in position-space and suggests considering the covariant derivative due to the presence of a field.
  • A question is raised about the applicability of the translation operator on a sphere and the reasoning behind its similarity to that in a plane.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the validity of flat-space translation operators for a particle constrained to a sphere, suggesting that angular momentum should be considered as a generator of rotations instead of momentum.
  • It is noted that the Hamiltonian with a constant field is not translation invariant, but can be transformed back to its original form through a gauge transformation, leading to the use of covariant derivatives.
  • A participant introduces a specific operator for generating rotations on a sphere and discusses the algebra of angular momentum operators, while expressing uncertainty about its applicability in the presence of an external field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and applicability of translation operators in spherical coordinates versus flat space, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for careful consideration of constraints and the geometry involved, particularly regarding the use of spherical coordinates and the implications of external fields on the translation operators.

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I'm considering a system where an electron is subjected to magnetic field which is produced by dirac monopole. Here I'm interested in looking for a translation operator. Now how can I get a translation operator in presence of field and in absence of field.?? I need both the operators. Can anybody help me..? Thank you...
 
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The translation operator is

\hat{T}(a) = e^{-ia\hat{p}}

In position-space this is

\hat{p} = -i\nabla

Are you thinking about using the covariant derivative instead?

\nabla \to \nabla - ieA
 
is this applicable to sphere also..?? Why both are same...? Since this operator is used for translation in plane, how come it is same in sphere?
 
You haven't said anything about a particle on a sphere. Is your particle subject to a constraint r2=const.? Or equivalently, are you using spherical coordinates with r being a constant?

Then the flat-space translation operator is no longer valid. On the sphere only operators respecting the symmetry of the sphere (and the constraint) are allowed. A simple approach is to use spherical coordinates, to fix r=const. and to drop all ∂r terms. I am not absolutely sure whether this approach is valid for all operators. Perhaps an approach like constraint quantization is required.

But in principle it's obvious that instead of momentum p as a generator of translation you have to consider angular momentum L as a generator of rotation.
 
tom.stoer said:
You haven't said anything about a particle on a sphere.
Have a look at the title.

The problem is that with a constant field, the hamiltonian is not directly translation invariant. But the translated hamiltonian can be brought back to its original form applying an additional gauge transformation. Effectively, the translation operator becomes the covariant derivative. Physically, this leads to the appearance of Landau levels.
On a sphere, the translation operators are the same as that for a flat surface tangential to the point you want to rotate. So it should be possible to use a covariant version of the angular momentum operators.
 
Ah, I see, it's in the title of the thread ;-)

What you have to do is to use

\hat{D}(n,\phi) = e^{-i\,n^a\,\hat{L}^a\,\phi}

which generates rotations with angle phi and axis n; n is the unit vector in direction n.

Note that formally L is an angular momentum operator, but not necessarily an orbital angular momentum operator. That means it satisfies the algebra

[\hat{L}^a,\hat{L}^b] = i\epsilon^{abc}\,\hat{L}^c

but it need not be represented using r, theta and phi. Of course it has the usual eigenstates ##|lm\rangle##.

This allows you treat the particle on a sphere as a rigid rotor.

But I am not sure whether this helps for your problem with a external field.
 

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