Transmission line secondary coefficients

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of secondary coefficients for a transmission line, specifically the characteristic impedance (Z0), attenuation constant (α), and phase constant (β) at a frequency of 1 GHz. Participants are examining the application of formulas and the implications of the parameters provided.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) calculates the angular frequency and attempts to derive Z0, α, and β using provided formulas, expressing uncertainty about their approach.
  • Another participant checks the OP's calculation of Z0 using a simplified formula, arriving at a significantly different value of 186.5 ohms.
  • A third participant emphasizes the importance of using symbols instead of numerical values during calculations to avoid confusion, while also confirming the OP's formula for Z0 appears correct.
  • A later reply notes that the line is not a small-attenuation line, indicating that the condition G/ωC << 1 is not satisfied, which raises concerns about the validity of the OP's calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations of Z0, with some agreeing on the formula used but disagreeing on the numerical results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy of the OP's calculations and the implications of the parameters.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the transmission line's characteristics, particularly concerning the small-attenuation condition and the implications of using numerical values versus symbols in calculations.

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Homework Statement


A transmission line has the primary coefficients R= 2 ohm/m, L=8 nH/m, G= 0.5 mS/m and C= 0.23 pF/m. Determine the lines secondary coefficients Zo, α and β at a frequency of 1 GHz.

Homework Equations


ω= 2 π f

See uploaded formulas document

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure if I've approached this right but this is what I've done:

I started by calculating the angular frequency from the given 1GHz frequency

ω= 2 π f = 2π*1exp^9 = ω= 6283185307 rad/s

Using this I went on to calculate Zo

Sqrt ((2+j6283185307*8exp^-9)/(0.5exp^-3+j6283185307*0.23exp^-12))

Zo= 26.4316 + j0.0000327906 or Zo= 26.4316 θ 0.0000711° Ω

then using the above formulas I calculated the following

β=sqrt(1/2*(6283185307^2*8exp^-9*0.23exp^-12-2*0.5exp^-3+sqrt(2^2+6283185307^2*(8exp^-9)^2)*((0.5exp^-3)^2+6283185307^2*(0.23exp^-12)^2))

=1.65952exp^5

β=246.2946 rad m^-1α=sqrt (1/2*(2*0.5exp^-3-6283185307^2*8exp^-9*0.23exp^-12+sqrt(2^2+6283185307^2*(8exp-9)^2)*((0.5exp-3)^2+6283185307^2*(0.23exp^-12)^2))

= 3.24771exp^5

α=482.0029Np m^-1

Am i along the right lines with this? (hope you can understand the above workings...It got complicated with all the brackets etc)
 

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Just checking Z0 using the simplified formula: <br /> Z_{0}\approx \sqrt{\frac{L}{C}}=\sqrt{\frac{8\cdot 10^{-9}}{0.23\cdot 10^{-12}}}=\sqrt{34782.6087<br /> }=186.5.
 
You need to use symbols instead of numbers until the very end. Keeping track of all those numbers gives me and a lot of other helpers a splitting headache!

I went as far as checking your formula for Z0 (but not your math) which looks OK.
 
Svein said:
Just checking Z0 using the simplified formula: <br /> Z_{0}\approx \sqrt{\frac{L}{C}}=\sqrt{\frac{8\cdot 10^{-9}}{0.23\cdot 10^{-12}}}=\sqrt{34782.6087<br /> }=186.5.
This is not a small-attenuation line. In particular, the requirement G/ωC << 1 is not met. (= 0.35). But I agree, the OP's number looks off.
 

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