Tried making a telegraph What am I doing wrong?

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting a homemade telegraph setup, focusing on the construction and functionality of the electromagnet and its mechanical components. Participants explore various aspects of the circuit, including wire connections, magnetic properties, and the design of the clicker mechanism.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their setup using 22 gauge hookup wire, steel, and iron components, expressing confusion about potential wiring issues.
  • Another suggests testing the electromagnet's functionality by checking if a nail moves when current is applied, indicating that the circuit may be operational if the nail reacts.
  • Concerns are raised about the thickness and stiffness of the metal used in the clicker mechanism, with suggestions to bend it closer to the solenoid for better magnetic attraction.
  • A proposal is made to use a horseshoe-shaped core instead of a rod to enhance the magnetic field strength, with a note on historical usage of such designs.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of using a paperclip as a more effective clicker due to its flexibility and lighter weight compared to the current L-shaped design.
  • Suggestions include adjusting the position of the clicker to improve its responsiveness to the electromagnet's activation.
  • One participant introduces the idea of using a "C Clamp" design for the electromagnet to minimize the air gap, potentially increasing efficiency.

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Participants express various suggestions and modifications without reaching a consensus on the best approach. Multiple competing views on the design and functionality of the electromagnet and clicker mechanism remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of the proximity of the metal components to the coil and the potential impact of battery strength on circuit performance. There are unresolved questions regarding the material properties of the metal used and the mechanical design of the clicker.

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Here is how I set it up:
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I am using 22 gauge hookup wire, all of the metal is steel (magnetic), and the nail in the electromagnet part is iron.

Am I connecting the wires to the wrong metal parts, or doing so incorrectly? I found this set up at: http://w1tp.com/perbuild.htm

Please help, I am so lost :(
 
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Try holding a nail very close to the coil at one end. If you can feel the nail move when you turn the current on and off, the rest of the circuit is probably working OK.

If you have a magnetic compass, that should give a strong indication when it is held near the coil.

This circuit is very rough on batteries, so you would need almost new batteries to make it work.

The metal being attracted to the coil needs to be very close to the coil core to get much attraction. So, if possible, bend your metal so that it is very close to the end of the coil.
This will mean you have to shape the metal to also get proper switching action.
 
That 'bendy' bit of metal (are you sure it's steel? Aluminium won't work.) looks a bit thick / stiff and it's a long way from the solenoid. You may just be short of magnetic field to make it move. Try bending it lower down, nearer the solenoid and put the solenoid right at the end (better leverage).
If the 'nail test' (above) shows that you actually have an electromagnet then you could improve it considerably by using a 'horseshoe' (a U shaped core) rather than just a rod. Two rods, side by side, sitting on an iron bar would do the job. You need not rewind your coil; it can be just on one of the rods.
Horseshoe magnets (as in all cartoons!) were always used in the past because you could get a much stronger field between the two poles than at just one end. Old steel permanent magnets were rubbish, actually!

I just thought - that bendy strip could be replaced by a see saw mechanism, which would need much less force to make it move.
 
First check if you actually have an electromagnet by pushing the switch that you made, and see if the solenoid attracts paperclips.

If it does attract paperclips, then your problem is mechanical in nature: the magnet is not strong enough to attract your L-shaped metal "clicker", but is strong enough to attract paperclips.

You can try to increase the strength of the magnet, or decrease the strength of the L-shape by making it more bendable.

A poor man's "clicker" would involve taking a paperclip, straightening the paperclip out, and bending the end to form an L, and jab the end of the paperclip into a styrofoam base. The point is that a paperclip wire is very thin and bendable, so you should have more success.
 
The L shaped clicker should be U shaped and one end should be under the coil and the other end should be closer to the coil.
Also you might move the body of the clicker farther from the coil so the clicker pulls in easier when the coil in energized.

Great pictures.
 
a "C Clamp" for electromagnet with coil wrapped around its backside would give you a smaller airgap that'd be adjustable...

you'd have to figure out how to mount it,
but payoff is the smaller the airgap the better the electromagnet will work.
 
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