Trig substitution integral(need a check on the solution)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves evaluating the integral I = ∫ x^3/√(16-x^2) dx from 0 to 2√3, with a focus on using trigonometric substitution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts a trigonometric substitution and expresses the integral in terms of θ. Some participants question the necessity of the substitution and suggest an alternative approach using u=16-x^2. There is also discussion about the correctness of converting back to x and the implications of limits.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to solve the integral, with some providing guidance on potential errors in the original poster's approach. There is acknowledgment of correct steps taken, but also a recognition of mistakes leading to imaginary numbers. The discussion remains open with no explicit consensus on the final answer.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the limits of integration after changing variables and the implications of using trigonometric identities. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their final result.

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Homework Statement



this is the first problem like this I've ever tried so take it easy!:redface:

evaluate the integral

I = ∫ x^3/√(16-x^2) dx from 0 to 2√3

The Attempt at a Solution



- π/2 < ϑ < π/2
x = 4sinϑ , dx = 4cosϑdϑ

*x = 2√3, x/4 = sinϑ , sinϑ = √3/2 , ϑ = π/3
x = 0 sinϑ = 0 , ϑ = 0

4cosϑ = √(16-x^2)

I = ∫ (4sinϑ)^3 * 4cosϑdϑ /4cosϑ

I = ∫ (4sinϑ)^3 dϑ

I = 64 ∫ sin^3ϑ dϑ

I = 64 ∫ (1-cos^2ϑ)*sinϑ dϑ

u = cosϑ
du = -sinϑ

I = -64 ∫ (1-u^2)du
I = -64( cosϑ - cos^3ϑ/3) + C

converting back to x
sinϑ = x/4
cosϑ = √(x^2 -16)/4

I = -64{[ √(x^2 -16)/4] - [√(x^2 -16)/4]^3/3]} from 0 to π/3

i think i made a mistake because i get imaginary numbers here

maybe i wasnt supposed to convert back to x, but change the solve in an integral set to theta bounds and expressed in theta like below

I = -64( cosϑ - cos^3ϑ/3) + C from 0 to pi/3

-64[( 1/2 - 1/24) - (1 - 1/3)] = 40/3
 
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i) You actually don't need to use a trig substitution here. u=16-x^2 will actually do the job. ii) If you do, then if sin(x)=x/4 then cos(x)=sqrt(16-x^2)/4. Not the x^2-16 thing. That's where your imaginaries are coming from. And iii) If you've changed the variable back to x then the limits are 0 to 2*sqrt(3), not the theta limit of pi/3. Actually a lot of the rest of it is correct, which is good. But I didn't check every line.
 
Dick said:
i) You actually don't need to use a trig substitution here. u=16-x^2 will actually do the job. ii) If you do, then if sin(x)=x/4 then cos(x)=sqrt(16-x^2)/4. Not the x^2-16 thing. That's where your imaginaries are coming from. And iii) If you've changed the variable back to x then the limits are 0 to 2*sqrt(3), not the theta limit of pi/3. Actually a lot of the rest of it is correct, which is good. But I didn't check every line.

i actually just realized that before i read your post, so is that last line (40/3) right
 
vande060 said:
i actually just realized that before i read your post, so is that last line (40/3) right

If your final answer is 40/3, yes, I think that's right. I didn't actually check your details to the end.
 
Dick said:
If your final answer is 40/3, yes, I think that's right. I didn't actually check your details to the end.

thanks a lot everything is clearer now
 

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