Find the area of region enclosed by astroid

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The discussion revolves around finding the area enclosed by an astroid defined by the parametric equations x = a cos(θ)^3 and y = a sin(θ)^3. Participants are exploring the integration process required to calculate this area, including the appropriate bounds and substitutions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the function to find the area, with one suggesting the use of the formula involving y and the derivative of x with respect to θ. There are questions about the choice of integration bounds and the implications of negative signs in the equations. Some participants are verifying their understanding of the relationship between x and θ.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the integration process. There is an acknowledgment of mistakes in substitution and boundary selection, and some participants are confirming their understanding of the relationships between variables.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the extent of direct solutions provided. The discussion includes clarifications on the setup of the integral and the significance of the bounds chosen for integration.

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Homework Statement



find the region enclosed by astroid

x= acosϑ 3
y=asinϑ 3

the astroid looks like this picture in my book, with the shaded region stretching for x (-a,a)

and for y(-a,a)

Asteroid.png



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i think the formula is ... from (-a to a) ∫ y * x' dϑ



The Attempt at a Solution



a = ∫ acosϑ 3 * 3asinϑ 2 cosϑ

a = 3a2∫ cosϑ 4 * sinϑ 2

a = 3a2∫ cosϑ 4 * (1-cosϑ 2 )

a = 3a2∫ cosϑ 4 - cosϑ6

is this one the right track, if so I can evaluate the rest of that integral myself
 
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Your formula would be:

[tex]A=\int_{-a}^a y dx = \int_{\pi}^0 y \frac {dx} {d\theta} d\theta[/tex]

Please note that this will be only the area above the x-axis.
To get the total area, you will need to double that.

Your derivative of x should be:

[tex]\frac {dx} {d\theta}=\frac {d} {d\theta} (a\cos^3\theta)=3a\cos^2\theta\cdot -\sin\theta[/tex]

Substituting gives:

[tex]A=\int_{\pi}^0 (a\sin^3\theta) \cdot (3a\cos^2\theta\cdot -\sin\theta) d\theta<br /> =3a^2\int_0^{\pi} \sin^4\theta \cos^2\theta d\theta[/tex]

I think you can take it from there.
So you were on the right track, but made a mistake in substitution.

[edit]Also, you should take note of the integral boundaries. They can not just be left out.[/edit]
 
quick question, how did you decide the bound from pi to 0 and then you flipped them, it has something to do with the negative sign right
?
 
vande060 said:
quick question, how did you decide the bound from pi to 0 and then you flipped them, it has something to do with the negative sign right
?

In the first equation we shift from x to theta.
A value of x=-a corresponds to a value theta=pi, and x=+a corresponds to theta=0.
So the integral is from pi to 0.

In the third equation, there is a minus sign in the equation.
Flipping the boundaries means flipping the sign, or in this case removing the minus sign.
 
I like Serena said:
In the first equation we shift from x to theta.
A value of x=-a corresponds to a value theta=pi, and x=+a corresponds to theta=0.
So the integral is from pi to 0.

In the third equation, there is a minus sign in the equation.
Flipping the boundaries means flipping the sign, or in this case removing the minus sign.

okay i was scratching my head about this one but i think you get it by just substituting x for a and solving for theta right?

-a = acos3ϑ

-1 = cos3ϑ

ϑ = pi

a = acos3ϑ

1 = cos3ϑ

ϑ = 0

did i arrive at that correctly?
 
vande060 said:
okay i was scratching my head about this one but i think you get it by just substituting x for a and solving for theta right?

-a = acos3ϑ

-1 = cos3ϑ

ϑ = pi

a = acos3ϑ

1 = cos3ϑ

ϑ = 0

did i arrive at that correctly?

Yes. That is entirely correct! :smile:

Actually, what I did is look at the graph you posted.
With theta being the angle with the positive x-axis, a value of pi corresponds to x=-a.
Substituting pi in the expression for x shows that this is correct.
 

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