Trigonometric Inegrals: Volume help

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The problem involves finding the volume of a solid obtained by rotating a region R, defined by the curves y=6sin2x and y=6, around the line y=-1.1 over the interval [π/2, 3π/2]. The discussion centers on the setup and evaluation of the integral for this volume calculation.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the integral for the volume using the washer method, questioning the inclusion of certain terms and the setup of the radii. There are attempts to clarify the correct expression for the integral and the implications of the constants involved.

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There is ongoing dialogue about the correctness of the integral setup and the calculations leading to the volume. Some participants provide corrections and alternative formulations, while others express confusion about their results and seek clarification on specific steps.

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Participants note discrepancies in their calculated volumes, with some indicating potential errors in their integration or simplification processes. There is also mention of using a computer algebra system, which introduces additional complexity in verifying results.

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Homework Statement


Let R be the region enclosed by the curves y=6sin2x and y=6 over the segment [ π/2,3π/2]. Find the volume of the solid that is obtained by rotating R about the line y=−1.1.

Homework Equations


<br /> $\displaystyle \Large pi * \int _a^c x((r+yt)^2 - (r+yb)^2)dx$<br />

The Attempt at a Solution


$\displaystyle \Large pi * \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} x((-1.1+6)^2 - (-1.1+6sin^2x)^2)dx$
==> $\displaystyle \Large pi * \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} 24.01x - (-1.1+6sin^2x)^2 xdx$

==> $\displaystyle \Large pi [* \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} 24.01x dx - \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} (-1.1+6sin^2x)^2 x dx ]$
==> $\displaystyle \Large pi [* (236.97 + C) - \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} (-1.1+6sin^2x)^2 x dx ]$
==> $\displaystyle \Large pi [* (236.97 + C) - \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} 36xsin^4x - 13.2xsin^2x + 1.21x dx ]$
==> $\displaystyle \Large pi [* (236.97 + C) - (36\int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} xsin^4xdx - 13.2\int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2}xsin^2xdx + 1.21\int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2}xdx)]$

is this right so far?
 
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Slimsta said:

Homework Statement


Let R be the region enclosed by the curves y=6sin2x and y=6 over the segment [ π/2,3π/2]. Find the volume of the solid that is obtained by rotating R about the line y=−1.1.


Homework Equations


<br /> $\displaystyle \Large pi * \int _a^c x((r+yt)^2 - (r+yb)^2)dx$<br />

The Attempt at a Solution


$\displaystyle \Large pi * \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} x((-1.1+6)^2 - (-1.1+6sin^2x)^2)dx$
No, it looks like you're starting off on the wrong foot here. The integral above isn't right for a couple of reasons. That first factor of x in the integral doesn't belong there, and you should be subtracting -1.1 (i.e., adding + 1.1), instead of just subtracting 1.1.
You're obviously using washers, so here's what your integral should look like.
\pi * \int _{\pi/2}^{3\pi/2} ((6 -(-1.1))^2 - (6sin^2x -(-1.1))^2)dx

In a slightly simpler form this is:
\pi * \int _{\pi/2}^{3\pi/2} ( 7.1^2 - (6sin^2x + 1.1)^2)dx
In a typical volume element ("washer"), the volume is \pi(R^2 - r^2)\Delta x. The larger radius R is 6 - (-1.1) = 7.1. The smaller radius r is 6sin2(x) - (-1.1) = 6sin2(x) + 1.1.

Slimsta said:
==> $\displaystyle \Large pi * \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} 24.01x - (-1.1+6sin^2x)^2 xdx$

==> $\displaystyle \Large pi [* \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} 24.01x dx - \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} (-1.1+6sin^2x)^2 x dx ]$
==> $\displaystyle \Large pi [* (236.97 + C) - \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} (-1.1+6sin^2x)^2 x dx ]$
==> $\displaystyle \Large pi [* (236.97 + C) - \int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} 36xsin^4x - 13.2xsin^2x + 1.21x dx ]$
==> $\displaystyle \Large pi [* (236.97 + C) - (36\int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} xsin^4xdx - 13.2\int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2}xsin^2xdx + 1.21\int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2}xdx)]$

is this right so far?
 
Mark44 said:
No, it looks like you're starting off on the wrong foot here. The integral above isn't right for a couple of reasons. That first factor of x in the integral doesn't belong there, and you should be subtracting -1.1 (i.e., adding + 1.1), instead of just subtracting 1.1.
You're obviously using washers, so here's what your integral should look like.
\pi * \int _{\pi/2}^{3\pi/2} ((6 -(-1.1))^2 - (6sin^2x -(-1.1))^2)dx

In a slightly simpler form this is:
\pi * \int _{\pi/2}^{3\pi/2} ( 7.1^2 - (6sin^2x + 1.1)^2)dx
In a typical volume element ("washer"), the volume is \pi(R^2 - r^2)\Delta x. The larger radius R is 6 - (-1.1) = 7.1. The smaller radius r is 6sin2(x) - (-1.1) = 6sin2(x) + 1.1.

i did exactly what you said and i get 451.7359646 but its wrong..
$\displaystyle \Large pi [(50.41x + C) - (36\int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} sin^4xdx + 13.2\int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2}sin^2xdx + 1.21x+C)]$

== >
$\displaystyle \Large pi [158.367 - (36\int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2} sin^4xdx + 13.2\int _{pi/2}^{3pi/2}sin^2xdx + 3.8013)]$

then i found the antiderivative of sin4x and sin2x and got the final answer of the Volume. what did i mess up on?
 
Your answer is high by about a factor of 15. I get approximately 29.5783. After a little simplification you should have
\pi \int_{\pi/2}^{3\pi/2} (49.2 - 36sin^4(x) -13.2sin^2(x))dx

You forgot to subtract 1.21 (=1.1^2) from the 50.41 term, and it looks like you forgot that pi multiplies all of your integrals. Also, you're dealing with a definite integral: you don't need to include the constant of integration.
 
how do you get 29.5783?
i get 256.73 and I am not sure if its right or not but I am pretty sure i did everything right this time.
what i forgot to do was to multiply the '-' sign inside the brackets.
\pi [49.2x|_{\pi/2}^{3\pi/2} - 36\int_{\pi/2}^{3\pi/2} sin^4(x)dx- 13.2\int_{\pi/2}^{3\pi/2}sin^2(x)dx]
= \pi [49.2\pi - 36(3x/2 - sin2x + sin(4x)/8)|_{\pi/2}^{3\pi/2} - 13.2/2(x - sin(2x)/2)_{\pi/2}^{3\pi/2}]

= \pi [154.57 - 48.82 - 24.03] = \pi [81.72] = 256.73
 
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Now I'm getting a different answer, 287.205. I'm using a computer algebra system, and I must have entered something wrong to get the lower number I posted earlier.

In your integral your terms in x are off.
\int sin^4(x) dx = 3x/8 - 1/4*sin(2x) + 1/32*sin(4x)+C
\int sin^2(x) dx = x/2 - 1/4*sin(2x) + C

Notice also that when you substitute in 3pi/2 and pi/2, all of the sine terms are zero.
 

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