Trigonometry: Analyzing and Graphing a Cosine Function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around analyzing and graphing the cosine function defined by the equation y = 2 - (1/3) cos (πx + (3π/2)), focusing on determining the amplitude, period, horizontal shift, vertical translation, and step. Participants seek clarification on their calculations and the graphing process.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their calculations for amplitude, period, horizontal shift, vertical translation, and step, stating A = 2, B = π, C = 3/2, and D = 0.
  • Another participant agrees with some of the calculations but questions the values of A and D, suggesting they may be incorrect.
  • Further discussion reveals confusion regarding the correct values for A and D, with one participant asserting that the vertical translation should be 2.
  • Participants debate the correct interpretation of the horizontal shift formula and the meaning of "step," with some suggesting it may differ for sine and cosine functions.
  • There is a contention over the correct application of the formula for horizontal shift, with one participant insisting that the order of the equation affects the values of A and D.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the relationship between the parameters and their impact on the graph, emphasizing the need to consider radians in their calculations.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and calculations related to vertical translation and horizontal shift, with some seeking hints to resolve their confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach consensus on the correct values for A, D, and the horizontal shift. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the equation and the calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the equation's structure, the definitions of terms like "step," and the application of formulas for horizontal shift and vertical translation. Some calculations are presented with uncertainty, and participants express confusion over the correct approach.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about trigonometric functions, particularly in the context of graphing and analyzing cosine functions, as well as those seeking clarification on related mathematical concepts.

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Hey I need a second opinion to see if my formulas and calculations are correct. Also I need help with graphing this problem.

My problem is to find amplitude, period, horizontal shift, vertical translation, step and then graph of:

y= 2 - (1/3) cos ( πx + (3π/2) ) , -1/4 ≤ x ≤ 15/4

Using the formula:

y = A cos ( Bx + C) + D

A = 2

B = π

C = 3/2

D = 0

Amplitude: |A| = 1/3
Period: ((2π) / |B|) = 2
Horizontal Shift: -C/B = (3/(2π))
Vertical Translation: D = 0
Step: ((2π)/2)/B = 1
 
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All of your data results appear to be correct.
Mod edit: Some of the results are incorrect.
What is the problem you are having with the graph?
 
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JBA said:
All of your data results appear to be correct. What is the problem you are having with the graph?
I'm lost on what goes where on the graph.
 
Do you know the general shape of a simple y=cos x curve?

What method are you using to try to create this curve?

Actually, upon review I have realized that your A = 2 and D = 0 values are in error but your amplitude is correct. Look at all of the equation modifiers again to see if you can identify the correct values for A & D

Also review your C/B value with respect to π
 
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EddieLP said:
Hey I need a second opinion to see if my formulas and calculations are correct. Also I need help with graphing this problem.

My problem is to find amplitude, period, horizontal shift, vertical translation, step and then graph of:

y= 2 - (1/3) cos ( πx + (3π/2) ) , -1/4 ≤ x ≤ 15/4

Using the formula:

y = A cos ( Bx + C) + D
A = 2
B = π
C = 3/2
D = 0
A is not 2 and D is not 0.
EddieLP said:
Amplitude: |A| = 1/3
Period: ((2π) / |B|) = 2
Horizontal Shift: -C/B = (3/(2π))
Vertical Translation: D = 0
Step: ((2π)/2)/B = 1
Your amplitude and period are correct, but the horizontal shift and vertical translation are incorrect. I don't know what "step" means with regard to this problem. Is "step" half a period?
 
Amplitude: |A| = 1/3
Period: ((2π) / |B|) = 2
Horizontal Shift: -C/B = - (3/(2π))
Vertical Translation: D = 0
Step: ((2π)/2)/B = 1

I've made adjustments to Horizontal Shift by making it a negative number
I put Vertical translation as 0 since there is no D in the problem.
I'm not sure what step is but our teacher told us the formula for it.

Is there something I am missing to find Vertical translation?
Is there another name for "Step"?
The formulas that were given to me for step are different for each function. Sin and Cos is: ((2π)/2)/B, Tan is (π/2)/B
 
OK, your problem is thinking that D must be at the end of the equation. Reverse the equation order and see what that makes the value of D be.
 
EddieLP said:
Amplitude: |A| = 1/3
Period: ((2π) / |B|) = 2
Horizontal Shift: -C/B = - (3/(2π))
No, that's still wrong.
EddieLP said:
Vertical Translation: D = 0
Still wrong.
EddieLP said:
Step: ((2π)/2)/B = 1

I've made adjustments to Horizontal Shift by making it a negative number
What is B? What is C?
EddieLP said:
I put Vertical translation as 0 since there is no D in the problem.
Yes, there is.
EddieLP said:
I'm not sure what step is but our teacher told us the formula for it.

Is there something I am missing to find Vertical translation?
Is there another name for "Step"?
The formulas that were given to me for step are different for each function. Sin and Cos is: ((2π)/2)/B, Tan is (π/2)/B
This is because the period of the basic, untransformed sine and cosine functions is ##2\pi##. The period for the basic tangent function is ##\pi##.
 
JBA said:
OK, your problem is thinking that D must be at the end of the equation. Reverse the equation order and see what that makes the value of D be.
I reversed the order and got 2!
So Vertical Translation = 2

Mark44 said:
No, that's still wrong.
Still wrong.
What is B? What is C?
I found B and C by factoring out p from:

y= 2 - (1/3) cos ( πx + (3π/2) )

factored form:

y= 2 - (1/3) cos ( π ( x + (3/2) )

from the formula: y = A cos ( Bx + C) + D
B = π
C = 3/2

Formula for Horizontal Shift is - ( C / B )
(3/2)/(π/1) = 3/(2π)

I'm trying to find out what's missing, still trying to find. any hints?
 
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EddieLP said:
I reversed the order and got 2!
So Vertical Translation = 2
Yes
EddieLP said:
I found B and C by factoring out p from:

y= 2 - (1/3) cos ( πx + (3π/2) )

factored form:

y= 2 - (1/3) cos ( π ( x + (3/2) )

from the formula: y = A cos ( Bx + C) + D
B = π
C = 3/2
No, the pattern in your formula is different.
Formula: y = A cos(Bx + C)
In your work, you factored out ##\pi## from both terms
The formula is NOT A cos(B(x + C))
EddieLP said:
Formula for Horizontal Shift is - ( C / B )
(3/2)/(π/1) = 3/(2π)
This formula, which you are blindly applying, is for the equation y = A cos (Bx + C)
From this formula, what is B and what is C?
EddieLP said:
I'm trying to find out what's missing, still trying to find. any hints?
 
  • #11
The vertical shift is 2; so now you have everything except a confirmed horizontal shift.

Actually, you have to think in terms of radians, the simple answer is that C = 3π/2 = 1.5π = 270° such that when x = 0 then cos (0 + 270°) = -1 and with the vertical y offset = 2 the result is 2 -1 = 1 (the minimum height of the oscillation) and when x = .5 then cos (.5 + 1.5)π = 2π = cos 180° =0 and y = 2+0 = 2 (the centerline of the curve oscillation) and when x = 1, cos ( 1 +1.5)π = cos 2.5 = cos 90° = 1 and y = 2+1 = 3 ( the maximum height of the oscillation), etc
 
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  • #12
One clarification on the above, all of the above max/ min values of 1 & -1 are before muliplying the results of the cos by 1/3 as required by the total equation so for the purposes of your calculations and graph the results are actually 2 - 1/3 x 1 = 1.666, 2 - 1/3 x 0 = 2 and 2 - 1/3 X -1 = 2 + 1/3 = 2.333.
 
  • #13
Mark44 said:
Yes
No, the pattern in your formula is different.
Formula: y = A cos(Bx + C)
In your work, you factored out ##\pi## from both terms
The formula is NOT A cos(B(x + C))
This formula, which you are blindly applying, is for the equation y = A cos (Bx + C)
From this formula, what is B and what is C?
B = πx
C = 3π/2
Horizontal Shift = -(3/2)!
My book says that I have to factor out the coefficient of π before finding amplitude, period, etc.
 
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  • #14
B = π not πx
 

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