Trouble with trig identities in solving integral.

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The discussion revolves around the integral of secant squared over tangent to the fourth power, specifically the expression \(\int\frac{\sec^{2}x}{\tan^{4}x}dx\). Participants express confusion regarding the trigonometric identities applied in the manipulation of this integral.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different methods for simplifying the integral, including converting to sine and cosine terms and considering derivatives of tangent. There is also discussion about specific substitutions and the manipulation of trigonometric identities.

Discussion Status

Multiple approaches are being explored, with some participants suggesting the use of derivatives and others focusing on identity manipulation. Guidance has been offered regarding potential substitutions, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the identities used, and participants are considering various forms of the integral without reaching a definitive conclusion. The discussion reflects an ongoing exploration of the problem rather than a resolution.

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Homework Statement


\int\frac{sec^{2}x}{tan^{4}x}dx

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have the answer as -1/3 cot^3(x) + C listed.

All the intermediate steps are given, but the first one is they have converted the sec/tan integral in to:

\int{cot^{2}x}{csc^{2}x} dx

I am a little confused by the trig identities used and manipulated to get this.
 
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you can just write it all in terms of sines and cosines and then reduce it to get that.
without using any identities
 
Hint: what's the derivative of tan(x)?
 
NewtonianAlch said:

Homework Statement



\int\frac{\sec^{2}x}{\tan^{4}x} dx
...

I am a little confused by the trig identities used and manipulated to get this.

\frac{\sec^{2}(x)}{\tan^{4}(x)}=\frac{1}{\cos^2(x)} \frac {\cos^4(x)}{\sin^4(x)}

Try it from there.
 
Following TheoMcCloskey's hint, the problem can be done without converting to sines and cosines. After a fairly simple substitution, the integral looks like
\int u^{-4}du
 
Thanks for the responses guys, yes the d/dx (tan x) substitution can be done to get a result of

-1/3*1/tan^3 x + C

But there's that other result which is bugging me, I will take a closer look at the post with the other identities as I want to see how I can get the cot^2csc^2 result.
 
Taking it one step further ...

\displaystyle \frac{\sec^{2}(x)}{\tan^{4}(x)}=\frac{1}{\cos^2(x) } \frac {\cos^4(x)}{\sin^4(x)}
\displaystyle =\frac{1}{\cos^2(x) }\frac {\cos^2(x)}{\sin^2(x)}\frac {\cos^2(x)}{\sin^2(x)}​
 

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