Troubleshooting a Tank Circuit for 60Hz Frequency Matching

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting a parallel LC resonator designed to filter out a specific frequency of 60Hz from a broader range of frequencies. Participants explore various aspects of the circuit design, component selection, and potential issues affecting performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their setup, mentioning the use of a parallel LC resonator and expressing concern that no signal is being filtered, with frequencies passing through to ground.
  • Another participant suggests that without a schematic, it is difficult to speculate on the issues, and emphasizes the importance of component details such as the type of capacitors and inductors used.
  • A participant clarifies that they are using a non-polar capacitor made from eight polar electrolytic capacitors in parallel and an iron core toroidal inductor, noting that the calculated impedance is 0.5 ohms.
  • One reply challenges the method of creating a non-polar capacitor from polar capacitors and provides an alternative method using series connections.
  • Another participant recommends recalculating with a reactance of about 200 ohms and suggests that the circuit may be functioning as a short circuit at 60Hz, proposing alternative filter designs such as a high pass filter or an active band pass filter.
  • A participant shares two tank filter designs, one series resonant and one parallel, with specific values for inductance and capacitance, and calculates the impedance as 200 ohms.
  • Another participant comments on the difficulty of achieving low resistance with the specified inductance while maintaining reasonable selectivity.
  • A participant confirms that circuit modeling and frequency sweeps were performed using LTSpice IV.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the current circuit design and the appropriateness of the components used. There is no consensus on the best approach to achieve the desired filtering of 60Hz.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached agreement on the ideal component configuration or the most effective filtering method. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of using polar capacitors in parallel and the overall circuit impedance.

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I have built a parallel LC resonator to tune into a specific frequency. the frequency I am tuning into is 60Hz. The problem I am having is that I matched the value of the inductor and the value of the capacitor to match at that frequency within certain tolerance, And the is no signal being filtered. The frequencies are passing right through to the ground connection. Does anyone know I am doing wrong?
 
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There's any number of possible things wrong, but without a schematic I can't even begin to speculate. Including details about what you expect the circuit to accomplish specifically and details about the components used (for example, are the caps aluminum electrolytics, mylar, poly or are the inductors air core, ferrites, tape wound, laminated and which sort of material; silicon steel, 49 material ferrite, etc.) will also be helpful.
 
What I'm trying to do is to separate 60Hz from a wide range of frequencies. the capacitor is a non-polar made from eight polar electrolytic caps. arranged in parallel. The inductor is a iron core toroidal inductor. Also according to the calculations the impedance of the circuit is 0.5 ohm far less that the impedance of the source. If that helps.
 
Idea04 said:
What I'm trying to do is to separate 60Hz from a wide range of frequencies. the capacitor is a non-polar made from eight polar electrolytic caps. arranged in parallel. The inductor is a iron core toroidal inductor. Also according to the calculations the impedance of the circuit is 0.5 ohm far less that the impedance of the source. If that helps.

You don't make a non-polar capacitor by putting polar capacitors in parallel. You can make a non-polar capacitor of half value by putting two polar capacitors in series, with the "+" ends together, for example. This is done in audio circuits frequently.
 
Try recalculating with a reactance of about 200 ohms. O.53 H and 13.26 uF preferably not electrolytic.

Your circuit is basically a short circuit anyway at 60 Hz. The signal source would not be able to deliver the sort of circulating current needed to develop resonance voltages across such low impedance components.

A much better way is to make a high pass filter for 100 Hz rolloff to get rid of 60 hz , or to make an active band pass filter for 60 Hz if you want the 60 Hz.
 
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Here are two tank filters suggested above, one a series resonant and the other parallel. with the frequency swept from 40 Hz to 80 Hz. See attached thumbnails. In this case, L=0.53 Henrys, and C = 13.2 microFarads. The impedance is sqrt(L/C) = 200 ohms.
 

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Great graphs, Bob S.
Was that done with Spice?

I guess 1 ohm resistance is a bit difficult for a 0.53 H inductance but if it could be held below 20 ohms, to get a Q of at least 10, you would still get reasonable selectivity.
 
The circuit modeling and frequency sweeps were done with LTSpice IV, free from Linear Technology Corp.
 

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