True or false: Differentiability with vectors

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The discussion revolves around the concept of differentiability in the context of vector-valued functions. Participants explore the conditions under which a function is considered differentiable at a point, particularly focusing on the role of partial derivatives and the limit definition of differentiability.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that if all first partial derivatives of a function exist at a point and a specific limit condition holds, then the function is differentiable at that point.
  • Another participant questions the notation and meaning of a function evaluated at a vector, seeking clarification on whether it refers to the terminal point of the vector.
  • There is a discussion about the correct notation for the magnitude of a vector, with some participants noting the difference between using ||h|| and |h|.
  • One participant asks for clarification on the meaning of the gradient of a function and the definition of differentiability for a vector-valued function of three variables.
  • A later reply provides a limit definition of differentiability and discusses the relationship between the limit expression and the gradient, expressing uncertainty about the role of deltaF in the context of differentiability.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions and notations involved in differentiability. There is no consensus on the implications of the limit condition or the role of deltaF, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight potential confusion regarding notation and definitions, particularly concerning the gradient and the concept of deltaF. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved.

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If all the first partial derivatives of f exist at [tex]\vec{x}[/tex], and if [tex] \lim_{\vec{h}\rightarrow\vec{0}}\frac {f(\vec{x})-(\nabla f(\vec{x}))\cdot\vec{h}}{||\vec{h}||} = 0 [/tex]

Then f is differentiable at [tex]\vec{x}[/tex]

Note: Its the magnitude of h on the bottom.

First of all, I don't exactly understand what a function of a vector is like f([tex]\vec{x}[/tex]). Does it mean that this function is evaluated at the terminal point of this vector?
 
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Just guessing trying to fix your TeX for you:

[tex]\lim_{\vec{h}\rightarrow\vec{0}}\frac {f(\vec{x})-(\nabla f(\vec{x}))\cdot\vec{h}}{|\vec{h}|} = 0[/tex]

Click on it to see it.
 
LCKurtz said:
Just guessing trying to fix your TeX for you:

[tex]\lim_{\vec{h}\rightarrow\vec{0}}\frac {f(\vec{x})-(\nabla f(\vec{x}))\cdot\vec{h}}{|\vec{h}|} = 0[/tex]

Click on it to see it.

You sure know your latex, sorry its my first time and it was late. Everything is right except its the magnitude of h on the bottom not the absolute value. I don't if the notation is the same.
 
Yes, say the vector x has components (1,-4,3). Then f(x) = f(1,-4,3). And yes, the absolute value notation, |h|, is often used instead of ||h|| to mean the magnitude of a vector.
 
First, do you understand what [itex]\nabla\vec{f}[/itex] means?

And what is your definition of "differentiable" for a vector valued function of 3 variables?
 
HallsofIvy said:
First, do you understand what [itex]\nabla\vec{f}[/itex] [means?

And what is your definition of "differentiable" for a vector valued function of 3 variables?

Yes it means the gradient of f evaluated at the terminal point of the vector.

My equation for differentiability taken from the book is:

[tex] \lim_{(\Delta x, \Delta y)\rightarrow\ (0,0)}\frac {\Delta f - f_x (x_0, y_0)\Delta x - f_y(x_0,y_0) \Delta y}{\sqrt{(\Delta x)^2 + (\Delta y)^2}} = 0[/tex]

If [tex]\vec{h}[/tex] is taken to be [tex](\Delta x, \Delta y)[/tex] than the dot product of h and the gradient evaluated at the vector x is:

[tex] f_x (\vec{x}) \Delta x + f_y(\vec{x}) \Delta y [/tex]

Then

[tex] \lim_{(\Delta x, \Delta y)\rightarrow\ (0,0)}\frac {f(\vec{x}) - f_x (\vec{x})\Delta x - f_y(\vec{x}) \Delta y}{\sqrt{(\Delta x)^2 + (\Delta y)^2}} = 0<br /> [/tex]

I distributed the minus from the original problem but am not exactly sure if I can. It looks very similar to the definition with the exception of deltaF being missing. Is this the only reason why the statement is false? I don't exactly understand the deltaF concept as being approximately [tex]f_x (\vec{x}) \Delta x + f_y(\vec{x}) \Delta y[/tex]
 
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