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Tupper's self-referential formula: A formula that plots itself
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Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around Tupper's self-referential formula, exploring its implications and the philosophical questions it raises about existence and knowledge. Participants express a mix of fascination and skepticism regarding the depth of meaning behind the formula and its comparison to concepts like the normality of pi.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Conceptual clarification
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- Some participants express amazement at Tupper's formula and its ability to plot itself.
- Others question the depth of meaning behind the formula, suggesting it may not be as profound as it seems.
- A participant draws a parallel between Tupper's formula and the idea that pi, if proven normal, contains all human knowledge encoded within its digits.
- There is a humorous exchange regarding the nature of existence and whether a self-replicating formula could be considered "alive."
- Some participants note that the claim about pi's normality remains unproven, adding a layer of uncertainty to the discussion.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants generally express a mix of admiration and skepticism regarding the significance of Tupper's formula, with no clear consensus on its depth or implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the philosophical interpretations of the formula and its comparisons to pi.
Contextual Notes
Some claims about the nature of pi and its normality are presented with uncertainty, as the proof of pi being normal has not yet been established.
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Truly amazing..
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I'm compelled to find meaning in this or some secret to the nature of life... or some such pseudo intellectual crap.
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Zarqon
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heh, if it can reproduce, is it alive? 
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That's quine cute.
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surajt88
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I remember Stephen Hawking commenting on the Theory of everything by questioning: "Is the unified theory so compelling that it brings about its own existence?" Atleast on a 2D plane, this equation does.
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this has changed my life
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Filip Larsen
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Nice, but not very deep. Seems a bit like the initially surprising statement that pi (if it proves to be a normal number) contains the total sum of all human knowledge encoded in it digits, including complete video footage of every single humans life, whether dead, living or yet to be born, and interesting stuff like the list of lotto numbers in all times and a very detailed and accurate account of what happened to all your socks that went missing over the years. Its all there, tucked in between some fragments of noise.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_number
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_number
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Filip Larsen said:
To be fair, pi has not yet been proved normal.
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Takes one to know onemicromass said:
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WannabeNewton
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Ryan_m_b said:Takes one to know one
Boom roasted.
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