Twist of an open versus closed cylinder

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The discussion focuses on determining the thickness required for closed and open tubes to achieve the same twist angle and maximum shear stress. The relevant equations for calculating the polar moment of inertia (J) for both tube types are provided, with specific formulas for closed and open tubes. The user encountered difficulties in deriving a fourth-degree equation when substituting variables into the J formula, leading to complex calculations that seemed excessive for the assignment. Additionally, there were issues with formatting equations in LaTeX, which have since been resolved. The conversation seeks clarification on the approach and simplification of the calculations needed for the assignment.
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Homework Statement


a) Determine what the thickness should be in a closed tube versus an open tube to have the same twist angle
b) Determine what the thickness should be in a closed tube versus an open tube to have the same max shear stress

G=20GPa
T=50Nm
tr=1mm (for the open tube)

Also see the attachment


Homework Equations


a)
theta=(TL)/(GJ)

For closed:
J=pi/2(Ro^4-Ri^4)
Ro=Outer radius
Ri=inner radius

For open:
J=st^3/3 => J=1/3(D+tr)=1/3*pi*(D+1)
where:
s= circumference of circle (2pi*rm), rm is the radius up to the middle of the bar (between inner and outer, so 1/2D+1/2t)
t=thickness

b)

For closed:
tau=T*Ro/J

For open:
tau=T*t/J

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the J for the open and closed tube. However, I get a fourth degree equation, because I tried to substitute Ro=tl+D/2 into the equation to calculate J. After expansion I had terms containing tl^4, tl^3, tl^2 and tl, which resulted in a really long derivation of tl, however, I don't think that is necessary for this assignment. For the shear it was even worse, the resulting equation for tl didn't even fit on my paper.

Do I miss something here?

Thanks in advance,
Robin

P.s. Sorry for the equations written in this way, Latex didn't seem to work, it gave errors (while I was sure I typed it correctly)
 

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Is there anyone who can enlighten me?

Latex does work now, I'll restate the relevant equations (I can't edit my post)..

2. Homework Equations
a)
\theta=\frac{TL}{GJ}

For closed:
J=\frac{\pi}{2(R_0^4-R_0^4)}
Ro=Outer radius
Ri=inner radius

For open:
J=\frac{st^3}{3} => J=\frac{1}{3}(D+tr)=\frac{1}{3}\pi(D+1)
where:
s= circumference of circle (2pi*rm), rm is the radius up to the middle of the bar (between inner and outer, so 1/2D+1/2t)
t=thickness

b)

For closed:
\tau=\frac{TR_0}{J}

For open:
\tau=\frac{Tt}{J}
 
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