Two port network model and analysis

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The discussion focuses on solving a homework problem related to a two-port network model, specifically in determining transfer functions to plot the output voltage (V_o). The user has calculated the rise time (T_rise) and the line's inductance (L) and capacitance (C) using the characteristic impedance. However, they are struggling to derive transfer functions for two models, while successfully formulating one for a specific case. The conversation emphasizes the importance of incorporating a delay operator for accurate plotting of V_o and discusses the behavior of an ideal transmission line under certain conditions. Overall, the challenge lies in demonstrating the measured delay in the line with the provided parameters.
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Homework Statement


Greetings. I am having difficulty with a couple of parts to a homework problem. Mainly coming up with the transfer functions to plot V_o. See the picture for the problem statement:
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Homework Equations



l \leqq v_{ph}*T_{rise} / 10

Z_o = Z_c = 75\Omega

I've also included the model parameters for the two-port network:
[PLAIN]http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1712/modelsz.jpg

The Attempt at a Solution



I found T_rise to be 6.66ns. I am able to calculate L and C for the line using the characteristic impedance equation from Z so L = 0.5*10^-6 H/m and C = 88.88*10^-12 F/m. I'm having difficulty with the transfer functions. I can find it for the 7 model:

\frac{1/LC}{s^2+s\frac{R}{L}+\frac{1}{LC}} = H(s)

But not for the other two. Also. In order to plot Vo correctly, we have to incorporate a delay operator with the ramp function as such:

\frac{1-e^{sT_{rise}/0.8}}{T_{rise}/0.8} = D(s)

So our final plot would be the step response (or ramp, as my colleagues and I think the professor wants) of D(s)*H(s).

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! Other examples for this type of problem is very difficult to find on the internet.
 
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I don't know about your various models, but it should be helpful to know the following: if an ideal transmission line is source-terminated in its characteristic impedance and the other end is open-circuited, there is no distortion of Vi at Vo. There is only a time-delay.

You can show this easily by using ABCD parameters for the resistor and for the line, then concatenating.
 
rude man said:
I don't know about your various models, but it should be helpful to know the following: if an ideal transmission line is source-terminated in its characteristic impedance and the other end is open-circuited, there is no distortion of Vi at Vo. There is only a time-delay.

You can show this easily by using ABCD parameters for the resistor and for the line, then concatenating.

I think that's what the problem is. We have to show that measured delay in the line with the given parameters.
 
I am addressing only your parts 4 and 5. The 2nd and 3rd are standard lumped-parameter exercises. Not sure about the first. I would have said there is no finite rise time that will repoduce exactly at the output with a lumped-parameter circuit.

The delay time is simply physical line length divided by phase velocity = 0.1/1.5e8 s.
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