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The discussion revolves around constructing and testing a symmetrical attenuator, specifically focusing on measuring input and output voltages and determining attenuation in decibels. The context includes practical experimentation and comparisons with computer models.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on how to determine the input voltage (Vin) for the attenuator experiment.
  • Another participant clarifies that Vin should be measured directly from a signal generator rather than calculated.
  • A subsequent participant questions whether they can arbitrarily choose an input voltage for further calculations.
  • Further clarification is provided that the problem statement emphasizes measurement rather than calculation, suggesting a reasonable input voltage level for testing.
  • Participants discuss the need to compare practical measurements of the attenuator with results from computer models to validate the accuracy of the models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to measure Vin and Vout directly, but there is some uncertainty regarding the choice of input voltage and the emphasis on calculations versus measurements. The discussion on comparing practical results with computer models remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the loading effect of the signal generator on the input voltage when connected to the attenuator, which may affect measurements.

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This discussion may be useful for students or practitioners involved in electrical engineering experiments, particularly those focusing on signal processing and attenuation measurements.

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Homework Statement



Construct and test the ∏ section symmetrical attenuator. Measure and record the Input & Output Voltages of the attenuator and determine the attenuation in dB.

Homework Equations



Vout = Vin * [ R2 / (R1 + R2) ]

Decibel Attenuation (dB) = 20LOG10(Vout / vin)

The Attempt at a Solution



I have included an attachment for this question. The main area where I am confused at the moment is the number for Vin. Can someone please guide me to how to work out Vin?
 

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Looks like a lab experiment to me. Your instructions are to "construct and test".

Vin is the voltage you get from a signal generator. You connect the signal generator to the input of your attenuator and then measure Vin. You don't "work out" Vin; you measure it, just as you measure Vout.
 
Then do I simply make up an Input Voltage to carry out the further calculations?
 
Your problem statement says " Measure and record the Input & Output Voltages of the attenuator and determine the attenuation in dB."

It doesn't say anything about any calculations.

Choose a reasonable signal level for your input, something like 1 volt AC at perhaps 1 kHz.

If you measure the voltage out of the generator without the attenuator connected, be aware that the input voltage to the attenuator when connected will be less due to the loading effect of the generator.

You may later be required to compare your measured results with calculated results, but the problem you have stated in post #1 doesn't say anything about that. It just says to make measurements.
 
The next part of the question is:

Test your symmetrical attenuator (practical) against computer models.

Can please someone quide me in the right direction to answer this question as I am struggling to work it out?
 
agata78 said:
The next part of the question is:

Test your symmetrical attenuator (practical) against computer models.

Can please someone quide me in the right direction to answer this question as I am struggling to work it out?

Testing your attenuator against computer models means to note whether your measurements are reasonably close to what you calculated.

The point of all this is to show whether or not your computer models give the same results as reality (measured results). If this is true, then you can design attenuators using models and be confident that the resulting design will work.
 

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