Solve Op Amp Circuit Problem Homework Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a homework problem related to an operational amplifier (Op-Amp) circuit. Participants explore the behavior of the circuit under various conditions, including output voltage calculations, effects of resistor values, and the implications of short-circuiting certain components. The scope includes theoretical analysis and practical implications of the Op-Amp's operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the output voltage can be expressed as Vout=2*Vin+2V, indicating a doubling of the input wave and a vertical shift.
  • There is uncertainty regarding whether additional equations are necessary, with some suggesting that the effect of bias current on the inputs could alter the output offset.
  • Participants note that without specific values for resistors R1 and R2, certain questions about the circuit's behavior cannot be definitively answered.
  • Concerns are raised about output clipping at ±8V, with some stating that the output may not reach these limits due to the Op-Amp's characteristics.
  • Short-circuiting R1 is discussed as removing negative feedback, leading to saturation at the positive power supply of +15V, but the behavior at 0V input is questioned.
  • Short-circuiting R2 is described as converting the circuit into a unity-gain buffer, with agreement on the output being equal to the input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express both agreement and disagreement on various points. While some calculations and interpretations are accepted, there remains uncertainty regarding the effects of bias currents and the specific behavior of the circuit under different conditions. No consensus is reached on several aspects of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific resistor values in some posts, which affects the ability to verify certain claims. Additionally, assumptions about the Op-Amp's ideal behavior and power supply limits are noted but not resolved.

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Homework Equations


I think I figured out the 1st question. The result I got is Vout=2*Vin+2V.
Which means twice as big wave as the Vin and shifted with 2V.
Is this enough or I have to write equations like 2nd -> Vout = 2*Vin+2V?
or
2) 2kV/s is the same as 2V/ms, or 20V in 10ms

3) Vout “clips” at ±8VIn fact it would be rather worse than this, as the output would not quite make it to the ±8V supplies.4) Short-circuit across R1 means that negative feedback has gone and the Op-Amp is simply comparing its input to 0V, multiplying the difference by the raw Op-Amp gain (very large) and thus saturating Vout at the (positive) power supply of +15V

5) Short-circuit across R2 makes the circuit into a unity-gain buffer with R1 as its load resistor, so Vout = Vin
 

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gl0ck said:

Homework Equations


I think I figured out the 1st question. The result I got is Vout=2*Vin+2V.
Which means twice as big wave as the Vin and shifted with 2V.
Is this enough or I have to write equations like 2nd -> Vout = 2*Vin+2V?
or
That depends on whether the bias current flows into the + or - input. If into the + there is no effect. If into the - there will be an output offset. Can't verify your answer since you didn't give us the values of R1 and R2.

2) 2kV/s is the same as 2V/ms, or 20V in 10ms
Impossible to answer (2) and (3) unless R1 and R2 are given values.

3) Vout “clips” at ±8VIn fact it would be rather worse than this, as the output would not quite make it to the ±8V supplies.
If the input is

4) Short-circuit across R1 means that negative feedback has gone and the Op-Amp is simply comparing its input to 0V, multiplying the difference by the raw Op-Amp gain (very large) and thus saturating Vout at the (positive) power supply of +15V

and what about negative outputs? Actually, with an ideal op amp and the input going from exactly 0 to +5V, that question cannot be answered! The output is equally likely to stay at +15V or switch between + and - 15V. (Why?). But you have the right idea here.


5) Short-circuit across R2 makes the circuit into a unity-gain buffer with R1 as its load resistor, so Vout = Vin
That is correct.
see above in red
 
rude man said:
see above in red
shows a non-inverting Op-Amp circuit. *Its input waveform, Vin is a square wave with minimum and maximum values of 0V and +5V respectively. *R1 and R2 are both 1kΩ resistors. *For all of this assignment, apart from (3) below, assume that the Op-Amp’s power supplies are ± 15V.
The resistors values are 1kOhm
and the power supply is +-15V
 
I think I figured out the 1st question. The result I got is Vout=2*Vin+2V.
Which means twice as big wave as the Vin and shifted with 2V.
Is this enough or I have to write equations like 2nd -> Vout = 2*Vin+2V?
or
That depends on whether the bias current flows into the + or - input. If into the + there is no effect. If into the - input your output expression is correct.

2) 2kV/s is the same as 2V/ms, or 20V in 10ms
So draw the input and output waveforms.

3) Vout “clips” at ±8VIn fact it would be rather worse than this, as the output would not quite make it to the ±8V supplies.
Correct.

4) Short-circuit across R1 means that negative feedback has gone and the Op-Amp is simply comparing its input to 0V, multiplying the difference by the raw Op-Amp gain (very large) and thus saturating Vout at the (positive) power supply of +15V

With an ideal op amp and the input going from exactly 0 to +5V, the output will obviously be hard-over +15V when the input is at +5V. But what about when the input is at 0V?

5) Short-circuit across R2 makes the circuit into a unity-gain buffer with R1 as its load resistor, so Vout = Vin
That is correct.
 

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