Type of Joints in portal frame

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the types of joints in portal frames, specifically the connections between beams and columns, and columns to foundations. Participants explore the implications of these connections on the stability and behavior of the frame in two-dimensional and three-dimensional contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the beam to column connection in a portal frame must be rigid (fixed), while the column to foundation connection can be either fixed or pinned.
  • Another participant agrees and adds that if the column is pinned at the base, the frame is stable in 2D but requires longitudinal bracing in 3D.
  • There is mention of other frame types where the beam is pinned to the column, but these frames must be fixed at the base and are considered weaker, subject to large deflections unless cross-braced.
  • A later reply confirms the requirement for a fixed beam to column connection by the strict definition of a portal frame.
  • A new question is introduced regarding the flexibility of a joint between a gluelam beam and a reinforced concrete column, questioning whether a flexible joint can still allow the corner frame to take bending moments or if it behaves as a simply supported beam.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the fixed nature of the beam to column connection in portal frames, but the discussion introduces a new question that remains unresolved regarding the flexibility of joints in different frame types.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not fully explore the implications of joint flexibility on bending moments, leaving assumptions and definitions regarding joint behavior and frame stability unaddressed.

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What's the type of connection at beam to column connection
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Pinned or fixed?
I was told that for building portal frame, the beam to column connection must be rigid , which means, it has to be fixed , while the column to foundation connection can be either fixed or pinned, am I right ? I couldn't find anything about this online . Pls help
 
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Yes , correct on both counts. The beam to column connection is fixed, whereas the column base support can be fixed or pinned. If pinned at the base, the frame is stable in 2D, but in 3D, the Frame must be longitudinally braced or guyed.

There are other frames where the beam is pinned to the column, but these frames must be fixed at the base where each column shares half of the transverse load, but these frames are not called ‘portal’ frames and are weaker and subject to large deflections unless they are cross braced.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
Yes , correct on both counts. The beam to column connection is fixed, whereas the column base support can be fixed or pinned. If pinned at the base, the frame is stable in 2D, but in 3D, the Frame must be longitudinally braced or guyed.

There are other frames where the beam is pinned to the column, but these frames must be fixed at the base where each column shares half of the transverse load, but these frames are not called ‘portal’ frames and are weaker and subject to large deflections unless they are cross braced.
So, for portal frame, the beam to column connection must be fixed , am i right ?
 
Yes, by strict definition of a portal frame.
 
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[Mentor Note: a new discussion has been moved from this thread to the one listed below]

hellophysics said:
this is probably elementary: Is it possible to decide the flexibility of a joint between gluelam beam and reinforced concrete column? if I decide it to be flexible, can it still the corner frame take bending moments? or then it behaves as a simply supported beam?
Lnewqban said:
I recommend you to open a new one in order to get attention from a greater number of members, who can discuss details with you.
Perhaps, @berkeman can help with openining a new thread.

New thread spun off about the new question to the ME forum here: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...of-an-avalanche-protection-structure.1062103/
 
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