Understanding a RL - RC circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of an RL-RC circuit, specifically focusing on determining the frequency at which the impedance is purely resistive. Participants explore concepts related to resonant frequency and impedance calculations in the context of this circuit configuration.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to find the frequency at which the impedance of the circuit is purely resistive, suggesting it may relate to resonant frequency.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the circuit diagram and inquires about the use of complex quantities to express impedances and their combination rules.
  • A participant provides specific component values (L, C, R1, R2) and describes the representation of these components in terms of phasors and their respective impedances.
  • There is a suggestion to derive a single complex equation for the total impedance of the circuit, emphasizing the need to consider both real and imaginary parts that vary with frequency.
  • Participants discuss the condition for the impedance to appear purely resistive, noting that this occurs when the imaginary components of capacitive and inductive impedances balance each other out.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to calculate the total impedance and the relationship between frequency and the condition for purely resistive impedance. However, the specifics of the calculations and interpretations remain open for further exploration and clarification.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the initial ambiguity in the circuit diagram and the need for further elaboration on the mathematical steps involved in calculating the impedance. The discussion does not resolve how to specifically determine the frequency or the magnitude of the impedance at that frequency.

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I´m trying to understand a circuit that is build like this:

----###R1###---###C###----
###---------###----------###
-----###L###---###R2###---

How am I supposed to find what frequency (not f=0) the impedance is pure resistive?

What I´ve read has it something to do with the resonant frequency. Is that correct?

And the last question is how big are the impedance when that happens?

I´m totally lost in this jungle.

Thanks in advance!

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Welcome to the PF, nul_nul_

It's a little hard to interpret the circuit drawn like that. Would it be possible for you to draw it in Paint or Visio or something, and save it as a JPEG and upload it as an attachment?

Also, do you know a bit yet about how to express the impedances as complex quantities, and add them using the regular series and parallel combination rules?
 
Thank you!

Yes, I see that now. So I´ve made up one with my Paint skills :smile:

I know a bit about that. So we say we have the values of L = 5 mH, C = 22 uF, R1 = 300 ohm and R2 = 500 ohm. Then the R1 is 300 L 0 degrees, R2=500 L 0 degrees (L=Phasor) and the X(L)=2(pi)fL and phasor 90 degrees, X(C)=1/(2(pi)fC) and phasor -90 degrees.

Is this a good start and how about the frequency?

Appreciate your help!

//Null_null
 

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null_null_ said:
Thank you!

Yes, I see that now. So I´ve made up one with my Paint skills :smile:

I know a bit about that. So we say we have the values of L = 5 mH, C = 22 uF, R1 = 300 ohm and R2 = 500 ohm. Then the R1 is 300 L 0 degrees, R2=500 L 0 degrees (L=Phasor) and the X(L)=2(pi)fL and phasor 90 degrees, X(C)=1/(2(pi)fC) and phasor -90 degrees.

Is this a good start and how about the frequency?

Appreciate your help!

//Null_null

Yes, that's an excellent start. Now use parallel and series combination rules to come up with one equation for the impedance across the whole circuit. It will be a complex equation, with real and imaginary parts that depend on frequency.

EDIT -- And remember that the impedance will look "purely resistive" when there is no imaginary impedance, right? What can you say about the relative magnitudes of the capacitive (-j) and inductive (+j) impedances when this condition is met?
 

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