Understanding Amino Acid Acidity and Basicity in Reactions

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The discussion focuses on understanding amino acids' roles as acids and bases in specific reactions. The first reaction illustrates amino acids acting as acids through proton donation, while the second reaction shows them acting as bases by accepting protons. Participants express confusion over the classification of these reactions, noting that they resemble esterification rather than traditional acid-base reactions. There is debate about the definitions and mechanisms involved, particularly regarding the production of esters and the behavior of functional groups. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of amino acid behavior in chemical reactions beyond standard Bronsted definitions.
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Homework Statement



How does the following reaction demonstrate an amino acid as an acid:
H2NCH2COOH + CH3OH → H2NCH2COOCH3 + H2O

How does the following reaction demonstrate an amino acid as a base:
H2NCH2COOH + CH3COCl → CH3CONHCH2COOH + HCl

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An acid is a species that DONATES a proton and a base is a species that ACCEPTS a proton

In both situations it seems more like an esterfication reaction than an acid / base reaction.

Also in the second reaction the H2N loses an H+ for water (I would call that acidic behaviour but it is actually basic behaviour) and the first example COOH loses OH (basic behaviour but is classified as acidic)

I am confused :S
 
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This is not about a standard Bronsted acid definition. Think outside of the box. What is an ester?

That's what they ask about, doesn't mean I like the question.
 
Borek said:
This is not about a standard Bronsted acid definition. Think outside of the box. What is an ester?

That's what they ask about, doesn't mean I like the question.

well an ester is a type of condensation reaction in which a small molecule is eliminated?
 
No, ester is not a type of a reaction. It is a product of a reaction. Reaction of what with what?
 
Borek said:
No, ester is not a type of a reaction. It is a product of a reaction. Reaction of what with what?

a carbonyl carbon (e.g: COOH or COCl) and a hydrogen attached to an electronegative atom (e.g: OH, H2N)
 
In fact another site says its when the hydrogen of an organic acid is replaced by an organic group (e.g: alkyl)

BUT the acid LOSES OH not just the H?
 
The other site is wrong. That is, it is wrong when you look at the mechanism, but it is OK when you look just at the product structure.

Ester is produced by a reaction of an acid (even doesn't have to be organic - think sulfuric, phosphoric) with an alcohol.
 
Borek said:
The other site is wrong. That is, it is wrong when you look at the mechanism, but it is OK when you look just at the product structure.

Ester is produced by a reaction of an acid (even doesn't have to be organic - think sulfuric, phosphoric) with an alcohol.

ok so I get the first one but how does the second rxn demonstrate basic behaviour?
 
To be honest - I don't see how. I told you I don't like the question.
 
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Borek said:
To be honest - I don't see how. I told you I don't like the question.

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thanks for your help :)
 
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