Understanding Array Elements: n^2 vs. 8*n

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the comparison of array elements, specifically addressing the relationship between an array with n^2 elements and 8*n elements. Participants are exploring the implications of these quantities as n approaches infinity and questioning the validity of algebraic manipulations in this context.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how an array with n^2 elements can be equated to 8*n elements, particularly when n is not equal to 8. There are questions about the nature of infinite sets and whether the logic applies to finite versus infinite contexts.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising points about the limitations of their reasoning regarding infinite sets. Some suggest that the problem may not be fundamentally tied to infinite set theory, while others express uncertainty about their understanding of these concepts.

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There is a mention of a specific limit and the potential for finding a threshold N where certain conditions hold true, indicating that the problem may involve finite considerations despite the initial framing around infinity.

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For the problem at this site http://www.kalva.demon.co.uk/putnam/psoln/psol859.html, how an array with n^2 elements contain 8*n elements (8 for each positive integer) when n is not equal to 8? Does that type of algebra not work with an infinite number of elements...?


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The point is a_{ij}>i*j. You will run out of numbers at a finite point even if a_{ij} gets to be hugely large. It's not really a Cantor problem. The index set is the limit.
 
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The point is a_{ij}>i*j. You will run out of numbers at a finite point even if a_{ij} gets to be hugely large. It's not really a Cantor problem. The index set is the limit.

My point is that if you think of the number of elements in the array as

[tex]lim_{n\to \infty} n^2[/tex] then it at least seems odd that this number could be the same as [tex]lim_{n\to\infty}8n[/tex].

So, you are saying that logic only holds for finite sets, right?
That is probably just my ignorance of infinite set theory.
 
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The point is that you can find an N such that the number of pairs (i,j) with i*j<N is greater than 8*N. You could compute this N, if I'm doing my numbers right it's less than 10000. That means the problem doesn't have much to do with infinite set theory.
 

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