Understanding Coulomb's Law: Particle Acceleration and Energy Exchange Explained

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The discussion revolves around Coulomb's law and its implications for particle acceleration and energy exchange in electric fields. Participants explore the relationship between mechanical displacement of charged particles and changes in internal energy, as well as the dynamics of energy transfer between particles and fields.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why mechanical displacement occurs instead of changes in a particle's internal energy when influenced by an electric field.
  • Another participant asserts that mechanical displacement is an experimental fact and defines the electric field as the force acting on charged bodies.
  • A participant mentions that internal energy changes can occur in composite bodies, using an example of a charged aluminum foil ball deforming in an electric field.
  • It is proposed that if a particle is stationary, there is no energy interchange, but if it moves, it can either gain energy from the field or transfer energy back to the field depending on the direction of the current relative to the electric vector.
  • One participant references Gauss's law and energy conservation, suggesting that if a particle lacks internal structure, mechanical energy changes are the only means of energy exchange.
  • A later reply points out that the initial formulation of Coulomb's law presented is incomplete, emphasizing the need for two charges and a mechanical method to establish the electric field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of energy exchange between particles and fields, with no consensus reached on whether mechanical displacement is the sole indicator of energy gain for structureless charged particles.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of internal energy in composite particles versus structureless particles, and the discussion includes assumptions about the nature of electric fields and energy transfer that remain unresolved.

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It is known from the Coulomb's law (F = q E) that if an electric field is applied on a charge, it will accelerate it, i.e. the position of the particle changes macroscopically.

But why mechanical displacement? why not a change in particles internal energy, say for example excitation of an energy level?

What determines who is gaining energy from whom? Field from the particle or particle from field?


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But why mechanical displacement?

Mechanical displacement in the presence of charged bodies is just an experimental fact. The definition of electric field is that it is the force acting on charged body.

why not a change in particles internal energy, say for example excitation of an energy level?

There is always such change, when the body is composite (has internal energy). For example, placing small charged ball made from aluminum foil in electric field will cause it to deform, i.e. change its internal energy.

With electron it is difficult to find some evidence that it is composite, or that it has some internal, hidden energy. But if it has some, then it is natural to assume it can change as well.

What determines who is gaining energy from whom? Field from the particle or particle from field?

If particle stands still, there is no interchange of energy.

If the particle moves, it forms a small electric current. In case this current is in direction of electric vector the electric field works and the particle gains energy. In case the current is opposite to the electric vector, the field gains energy from the kinetic energy of the particle (or from other object pushing the particle against E).
 
Great answer! thanks.
I was also checking some books on this. Found also the Gauss's law applied to the energy conservation, which states that the sum of mechanical and field energy in a volume V is reduced as energy is radiated away from that volume.

Now is it correct to think like this: If the particle has no internal structure, the only way to exchange energy with it is to change the particle's mechanical energy which in turn causes its macroscopic displacement?
Same question in other words: is macroscopic movement of a structureless charged particle the only way to decide wether it has gained energy or not after a field has "passed by"?

cheers!
:smile:
 
Please note that your version of Coulomb's law is incomplete.

You need two charges and the full version refers to the force between the two.

By convention we hold one charge stationery to obtain E. You need a mechanical method to achieve this.
 

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