Understanding Derivatives: Finding the Derivative of y=2x^2-5

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of derivatives, specifically finding the derivative of the function y=2x^2 - 5 using the definition of a derivative. The original poster expresses confusion about the simplification process and the resulting expression.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of the derivative and the steps involved in applying it to the given function. There are questions about simplification and the occurrence of the indeterminate form 0/0 during the process.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, including checking calculations and ensuring the correct application of the derivative definition. There is acknowledgment of errors in the original poster's approach, but no consensus has been reached on the resolution of the confusion.

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The original poster mentions a discrepancy between their calculations and the expected answer from the textbook, indicating potential misunderstandings in the application of the derivative definition.

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Hello, today my teacher presented us with the concept of derivatives. I was okay in class, but when I got home, I was completely lost. Using the definition (f(x+h) - f(x))/h, we have to fine the derivative of y=2x^2 - 5. I know the answer is 4x from the back of the book, but I can't understand how to get it. Am I factoring something wrong? I get to a point of simplification that everything just cancels out. Your help is greatly appriciated!
 
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The definition you want to use is this:

[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}[/tex]

Now, set [itex]f(x)=2x^2-5[/itex] and insert this in the expression, simplify and take the limit.
 
Quick check: When you expand the numerator, f(x+h)-f(x), you should get an expression that cancels the h in the denominator.

-Dan
 
my problem is when i simplify, i get 0 over 0...i don't know why...i can't get the h to go away in the denominator
 
chrisdapos said:
my problem is when i simplify, i get 0 over 0...i don't know why...i can't get the h to go away in the denominator

[tex]f(x+h)=2(x+h)^2-5=2x^2+4xh+2h^2-5[/tex]
and
[tex]f(x)=2x^2-5[/tex]
So when you subtract the two you get...

-Dan
 
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Then you must be doing something wrong. Remember this: If [itex]f(x)=2x^2-5[/itex], what is then [itex]f(x+h)[/itex]? Check your calculations again.
 
Thank you so much guys! Wow i feel dumb...turns out i was just plugging the functions in wrong. Thank you so much!
 
chrisdapos said:
Thank you so much guys! Wow i feel dumb...turns out i was just plugging the functions in wrong. Thank you so much!

Hey, as I always tell my students: it's only a dumb question when you DON'T ask it! :biggrin:

-Dan
 

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