Understanding Electric Force on Q in Relation to Distance d and Charge Q1

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of electric force and the role of distance and charge in the equations presented. Participants express confusion regarding the equation F_1x = sqrt(3)*d*k*Q1/2, questioning the absence of "d" in the numerator and the calculation of distance "x." There are concerns about potential typos and unclear notation, particularly regarding the use of "k" and the application of the Pythagorean theorem. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding vector components, specifically how to derive them using cosine terms. Ultimately, the discussion seeks clarity on the mathematical relationships and conventions used in the force calculations.
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Three point charges Q, Q1, and Q2 are separated by a distance d from each other in a homogeneous medium. Find the electric force on Q.
Relevant Equations
Pythagorean theorem
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x^2 + d^2/4 = d^2
x = sqrt(3d^2/4)
F_1x = sqrt(3)*d*k*Q1/2.
In the solution, where did the "d" in the numerator go??
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Is my math wrong?
 

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adamaero said:
F_1x = sqrt(3)*d*k*Q1/2.
I cannot make sense of that equation. I think you have some typos, and an unclear notation.
Is that ##F_1x## or ##F_{1x}## on the left?
Why are you multiplying by d instead of dividing by d2?
 
adamaero said:
x^2 + d^2/4 = d^2
x = sqrt(3d^2/4)
Why are you calculating the distance "x"?
 
haruspex said:
I cannot make sense of that equation. I think you have some typos, and an unclear notation.
Is that ##F_1x## or ##F_{1x}## on the left?
Why are you multiplying by d instead of dividing by d2?
"F" sub "1x" the exact same in the solution except without the "d".
d2 is in the term "k".
 
Doc Al said:
Why are you calculating the distance "x"?
I thought that is for the direction of the vector defined by a1 (in F1 = k*Q1*a2).
 
adamaero said:
"F" sub "1x" the exact same in the solution except without the "d".
d2 is in the term "k".
Hmm... yes I see that is how they have used k in the solution too, but it is very nonstandard. The usual is ##k=\frac 1{4\pi\epsilon_0}##.
adamaero said:
I thought that is for the direction of the vector defined by a1 (in F1 = k*Q1*a2).
A component is obtained by multiplying by the cosine of the angle. You need to divide by the hypotenuse.
 
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haruspex said:
A component is obtained by multiplying by the cosine of the angle. You need to divide by the hypotenuse.
That makes sense where the "d"s cancel out...but I don't understand why the Pythagorean theorem can't be used alone.
cos(θ) = (d/2)/d
cos(θ) = 1/2

So it's the magnitude of "x"combined with the direction (defined by the cosine-term), and that's just what makes a vector...and not a scalar?
 
adamaero said:
So it's the magnitude of "x"combined with the direction (defined by the cosine-term),
No, it's the magnitude of the force multiplied by the cosine. The only relevance of the magnitude of x is in finding the value of the cosine, as x/d (which is √3/2, not 1/2).
 
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