Understanding Factorials and Series Convergence in Mathematics

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The discussion revolves around the expansion of factorials and the convergence of the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{(2n)!}\). Participants explore various methods for determining convergence, including the ratio test and comparison tests, while expressing uncertainty about the correct application of these methods and the factorial expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to properly expand factorials, particularly \((2n+2)!\) and \((2n)!\).
  • One participant applies the ratio test and finds the limit to be 0, suggesting absolute convergence, but questions the correctness of their factorial expansion.
  • Another participant suggests comparing the series \(\frac{1}{(2n)!}\) with the convergent series \(\frac{1}{2^n}\), arguing that since \(\frac{1}{(2n)!} < \frac{1}{2^n}\), the original series must also converge.
  • One participant points out that the comparison with \(\frac{1}{2n}\) is flawed because it is divergent, thus not providing useful information regarding convergence.
  • A later reply clarifies a misunderstanding regarding the notation used for the series, indicating that clarity in notation is important for the discussion.
  • Another participant highlights the distinction between \((2n!)\) and \((2n)!\), emphasizing the importance of correct notation in mathematical discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to determining the convergence of the series. There are multiple competing views on the validity of the comparison tests used, and uncertainty remains regarding the proper expansion of factorials.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express concerns about the accuracy of their factorial expansions and the implications for convergence tests. There is also a noted confusion regarding the notation used in the series, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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I am unsure as to how factorials should be expanded.

I have \sum\stackrel{1}{(2n!)} (if what was just typed did not make sense due to html error on my part, it is supposed to say the sum of 1/(2n)!) from n=1 to infinity. I did the ratio test and found the limit to be 0, which is less than 1, which means this series is absolutely convergent. My fear is that I didn't expand the factorials properly and perhaps my answer is wrong. Could someone let me know if my answer makes sense?

FYI: (2n+2)! I expanded as (2n+2)(2n+1)(2n)!
 
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PhysicsUnderg said:
I am unsure as to how factorials should be expanded.

I have \sum\stackrel{1}{(2n!)} (if what was just typed did not make sense due to html error on my part, it is supposed to say the sum of 1/(2n)!) from n=1 to infinity. I did the ratio test and found the limit to be 0, which is less than 1, which means this series is absolutely convergent. My fear is that I didn't expand the factorials properly and perhaps my answer is wrong. Could someone let me know if my answer makes sense?

FYI: (2n+2)! I expanded as (2n+2)(2n+1)(2n)!

You can always try another method.
For example, the series of 1/(2n)! goes
1/2, 1/24, 1/720, 1/40320.

Compare it to the series 1/2^n.
1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, and so on

Now, notice that every element of the second series is greater than or equal to the corresponding element of your series.
1/2 = 1/2
1/4 > 1/24
1/8 > 1/720

Now, 1/2^n is a convergent series, yes?

So if you are summing these series, you can compare the two using what we always called racetrack theorem. Every term of my series is greater than the corresponding term of your series. My series converges to 1 as n->infinity. Can your series possibly be larger?

So, you tell me does your answer make sense?
 
Well, I know from the comparison test, if An=1/(2n)! and Bn=1/2n and if An is less than Bn, and if Bn is convergent, than An is also convergent. Yet, in this case, Bn is divergent (because 1/2n is a p-series with p=1, and this is divergent.) So, the comparison test shows nothing...

So, I am guess I still am not seeing the answer. :-(
 
PhysicsUnderg said:
I am unsure as to how factorials should be expanded.

I have \sum\stackrel{1}{(2n!)} (if what was just typed did not make sense due to html error on my part, it is supposed to say the sum of 1/(2n)!) from n=1 to infinity. I did the ratio test and found the limit to be 0, which is less than 1, which means this series is absolutely convergent. My fear is that I didn't expand the factorials properly and perhaps my answer is wrong. Could someone let me know if my answer makes sense?

FYI: (2n+2)! I expanded as (2n+2)(2n+1)(2n)!
You did it just right.

Here's a tip on the LaTeX - don't use \stackrel for fractions - use \frac{}{}. Click on what I've written below to see the LaTeX code I wrote.
\sum_{n = 1}^{<br /> \infty} \frac{1}{(2n)!}
 
The comparison you are trying An=1/(2n)! and Bn=1/2n is not showing anything because Bn is divergent. Instead of these, try it with a different comparison. The one I mentioned before works.
An=1/(2n)! and Cn=1/2^n
An < Cn and Cn is convergent, so An must also be convergent.
 
To djeikyb: your response makes sense now. I misunderstood 1/2^n to be 1/2n. Thank you. :-)

To Mark44: Thank you :-)
 
Notice that (2n!), which is what you originally wrote, and (2n)! are very different!

\sum \frac{1}{2n!}= \frac{1}{2}\sum \frac{1}{n!}= \frac{1}{2}e.
 

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