Understanding Gauge Equivalence in Maxwell-Chern-Simons Action

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The discussion revolves around the concept of gauge equivalence in the context of the Maxwell-Chern-Simons action, particularly focusing on the equations of motion derived from the Chern-Simons action and their implications regarding gauge invariance. Participants explore the relationship between gauge transformations and the resulting physical interpretations, as well as the implications of different gauge choices.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of "gauge equivalent to the trivial solution" in the context of the equations of motion, questioning the implications of gauge invariance.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical identity to show that the equations of motion can be reduced to the trivial solution, where the field strength tensor \( F_{\mu \nu} \) equals zero, indicating no physical effects.
  • Some participants discuss the invariance of \( F_{\mu \nu} \) under gauge transformations and the implications for the physical observables, noting that the physics remains unchanged across different gauges.
  • There is mention of the conditions under which gauge choices can be imposed, particularly in relation to the Coulomb gauge and its connection to Poisson's equation.
  • One participant introduces the idea of coupling to dynamical matter fields and how this affects the equations of motion, suggesting that the situation becomes more complex in such cases.
  • Another participant elaborates on Maxwell's equations and the role of gauge potentials, emphasizing the non-uniqueness of potentials and the necessity of imposing gauge constraints.
  • A later reply references a professor's explanation that the solution for \( A_{\mu} \) being gauge equivalent to zero implies a specific understanding of gauge equivalence, although the participant remains uncertain about how to demonstrate this formally.
  • There is also a mention of adding a Maxwell term to the Lagrangian and the need to show that \( F_{\mu\nu} \) satisfies the Klein-Gordon equation, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding gauge equivalence and its implications, with some agreeing on the mathematical formulations while others remain uncertain about the physical interpretations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best way to demonstrate the gauge equivalence to the trivial solution.

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Participants highlight the complexity introduced by different gauge choices and the implications of non-trivial topology or coupling to matter fields, which may affect the applicability of certain gauge conditions. The discussion also touches on unresolved mathematical steps related to the equations of motion and gauge transformations.

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I have the Chern Simons action, and I've found the equations of motion ##\epsilon^{\mu\nu\rho}F_{\nu\rho}=0##. A problem I was looking at said show that the e.o.m. is "gauge equivalent to the trivial solution". I don't understand what this means. Obviously the e.o.m. is manifestly gauge invariant, so I don't know what else to do.

Also I'm only beginning to look at gauge symmetries but is this the general idea; if the equations of motion are invariant under ##A_\mu \rightarrow A_\mu + \partial_\mu \Lambda##, where ##\Lambda## is a function of the space-time coordinates, then we're free to impose whatever gauge condition we like, such as Lorenz gauge or Coulomb gauge, without changing the physics of the system?
 
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Using the identity (just edited identity - there was a typo)

\epsilon_{\mu \nu' \rho'} \epsilon^{\mu \nu \rho} = \delta_{\nu'}^\nu \delta_{\rho'}^\rho - \delta_{\nu'}^\rho \delta_{\rho'}^\nu

the e.o.m, \epsilon^{\mu \nu \rho} F_{\nu \rho} = 0, are equivalent to

F_{\mu \nu} = 0

where we have used F_{\mu \nu} = - F_{\nu \mu}. So this is the trivial solution - nothing happens, the F_{\mu \nu} are zero. And as you already know the F_{\mu \nu} are invariant under a gauge transformation

A_\mu \mapsto A_\mu + \partial_\mu \Lambda

viz

F_{\mu \nu} \mapsto \partial_\mu (A_\nu + \partial_\nu \Lambda) - \partial_\nu (A_\mu + \partial_\mu \Lambda) = \partial_\mu A_\nu - \partial_\nu A_\mu = F_{\mu \nu}.

I don't know if that is what they want for their question. Usually you just say the solutions are just pure gauge, i.e.

A_\mu = \partial_\mu \Lambda

or "flat connections".

The situation becomes more interesting when:

(i) when you take space-time to have a non-trivial topology
(ii) coupling to dynamical matter fields. Here the e.o.m. are k \epsilon^{\mu \nu \rho} F_{\nu \rho} = J^\mu where J^\mu are source fields due to matter - the e.o.m. are equivalent to

F_{\mu \nu} = {1 \over k} \epsilon_{\mu \nu \rho} J^\rho

by the above identity.

(iii) coupling to a Maxwell term (from the title of the thread you already probably know this)Gauges: So talking about 3+1 space-time Maxwell's equations now. You know how the F^{\mu \nu} give you the electric and magnetic fields? (F^{0i} = E^i and F^{ij} = \epsilon^{ijk} B^k). These are your observables - what you measure, and are unchanged by a gauge transformations, as demonstrated above. So essentially the physics is the same in all gauges. There are many gauges that you can choose, each perhaps better adapted to the situation.

First let us ask the mathematical question of whether it is possible for such a gauge condition to be imposed at all. Write A^\mu = (\phi , \vec{A}). Let us look at this question with respect to the Coulomb gauge...The question is given a gauge potential A_\mu is it possible to find a function \Lambda such that the new gauge potential A_\mu' = A_\mu + \partial_\mu \Lambda satisfies \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}' = 0. To find out we write:

\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}' = \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} + \nabla^2 \Lambda = 0

which leads to the question, given \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}, can we solve

\nabla^2 \Lambda = - (\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A})

for \Lambda. And the answer is yes as this is just Poisson's equation, which has solution

\Lambda (\vec{r}) = {1 \over 4 \pi} \int {(\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}) (\vec{r}_1) \over |\vec{r} - \vec{r}_1|} d<br /> \vec{r}_1.

So we have proved that such a choice is always possible...Now what physical situation is it useful to employ this gauge?

The Coulomb gauge leads to the Poission equation \nabla^2 \phi = - {\rho \over \epsilon_0}, as in electrostatics, and the vector potential, \vec{A}, can be shown to satisfy a wave equation with the divergenceless component of \vec{J} as its source

\nabla^2 \vec{A} - {1 \over c^2} {\partial^2 \vec{A} \over \partial t^2} = - \mu_0 \vec{J} + {1 \over c^2} \nabla {\partial \phi \over \partial t} = - \mu_0 \vec{J}_t.

So it will have a simple form when no sources are present at all. More importantly, this gauge is useful and simple for far field radiation problems. The asymptotic behaviour of \phi is as {Q \over r} (where Q is the total charge), and because its gradient behaves as:

- \vec{\nabla} \phi \sim {Q \over r^3} \vec{r}

we can neglect \phi in the exact formula \vec{E} = - \vec{\nabla} \phi - {\partial \vec{A} \over \partial t} when calculating radiation fields and the equations become:

\vec{E} \sim - {\partial \vec{A} \over \partial t}

\vec{B} = \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}

for far fields.

The Lorentz gauge is often considered as it fits in well with considerations of special relativity.
 
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Let me be a bit pedagogical about Maxwell's equations, gauge potentials and gauge invariant field equations...

Maxwell's equations are

\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E} = \rho
\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B} - {\partial \vec{E} \over \partial t} = \vec{J}

where \rho is the charge density and \vec{J} the current density. The last two Maxwell's equations are

\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E} + {\partial \vec{B} \over \partial t} = 0
\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{B} = 0

The last two equations can be solved by writing fields in terms of a scalar potential and a vector potential:

\vec{E} = - \vec{\nabla} \phi - {\partial \vec{A} \over \partial t}
\vec{B} = \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}.

The potentials uniquely determine the fields, but the fields do not uniquely determine the potentials - we can make the changes:

\phi&#039; = \phi + {\partial \Lambda \over \partial t}
\vec{A}&#039; = \vec{A} - \vec{\nabla} \Lambda

without effecting \vec{E} and \vec{B}.

There is an elegant relativistic notation: the gauge field is

A^\mu = (\phi , \vec{A})

and the above mentioned `changes' can be written

A_\mu&#039; = A_\mu + \partial_\mu \Lambda

and the field strength tensor is

F^{\mu \nu} = \partial^\mu A^\nu - \partial^\nu A^\mu

and in components:

F^{0i} = E^i,
F^{ij} = \epsilon^{ijk} B^k.

The first two Maxwell's equations can be written as:

\partial_\nu F^{\mu \nu} = J^ \mu

where J^\mu = (\rho , \vec{J}) is the charge-current density 4-vector. The last two Maxwell's equations can be written as:

\epsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} \partial^\rho F^{\mu \nu} = 0

which are automatically satisfied. THESE are your gauge invariant field equations! However it is often useful to work with the gauge potential instead and then find the electric and magnetic fields by taking derivatives. If we do work with e.o.m. for the gauge potential we must impose gauge constraints in order to eliminate gauge degrees of freedom...
 
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Using the identity (just edited identity - there was a typo)

\epsilon_{\mu \nu&#039; \rho&#039;} \epsilon^{\mu \nu \rho} = \delta_{\nu&#039;}^\nu \delta_{\rho&#039;}^\rho - \delta_{\nu&#039;}^\rho \delta_{\rho&#039;}^\nu

the e.o.m, \epsilon^{\mu \nu \rho} F_{\nu \rho} = 0, are equivalent to

F_{\mu \nu} = 0

where we have used F_{\mu \nu} = - F_{\nu \mu}. So this is the trivial solution - nothing happens, the F_{\mu \nu} are zero. And as you already know the F_{\mu \nu} are invariant under a gauge transformation

A_\mu \mapsto A_\mu + \partial_\mu \Lambda

viz

F_{\mu \nu} \mapsto \partial_\mu (A_\nu + \partial_\nu \Lambda) - \partial_\nu (A_\mu + \partial_\mu \Lambda) = \partial_\mu A_\nu - \partial_\nu A_\mu = F_{\mu \nu}.

I don't know if that is what they want for their question. Usually you just say the solutions are just pure gauge, i.e.

A_\mu = \partial_\mu \Lambda

or "flat connections".

Wow, what an answer! Thank's a lot!

Re: gauge equivalent to trivial. I asked my professor what it meant and he said "We think about equations of motion as equations for ##A_{\mu}##. Gauge equivalent to trivial means - solution for ##A_{\mu}## is gauge equivalent to zero." I'm not entirely sure how to show that.

Also I added a Maxwell term to the Lagrangian and found the equations of motion ##\partial_\mu F^{\mu\nu} + ke^2\epsilon^{\nu\alpha\beta}F_{\alpha\beta}=0##. I need to show that ##F_{\mu\nu}## satisfies the Klein Kordon equation. I introduced the dual field strength but all I end up with is ##(\partial_\mu \epsilon^{\nu\mu\lambda}+2ke^2g^{\nu\lambda})\tilde{F}_\lambda##. The obvious idea would be to multiply by the thing in brackets with a minus in the middle but that's also not getting me anywhere.
 
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Also I added a Maxwell term to the Lagrangian and found the equations of motion ##\partial_\mu F^{\mu\nu} + ke^2\epsilon^{\nu\alpha\beta}F_{\alpha\beta}=0##. I need to show that ##F_{\mu\nu}## satisfies the Klein Kordon equation. I introduced the dual field strength but all I end up with is ##(\partial_\mu \epsilon^{\nu\mu\lambda}+2ke^2g^{\nu\lambda})\tilde{F}_\lambda##. The obvious idea would be to multiply by the thing in brackets with a minus in the middle but that's also not getting me anywhere.

Start with your equation

##\epsilon^{\nu\mu\lambda} \partial_\mu \tilde{F}_\lambda+2ke^2g^{\nu\lambda} \tilde{F}_\lambda = 0## Eq.1

and apply ##\epsilon_{\alpha \beta \nu} \partial^\alpha## to both sides:

## \epsilon_{\alpha \beta \nu} \epsilon^{\nu\mu\lambda} \partial^\alpha \partial_\mu \tilde{F}_\lambda + 2ke^2 g^{\nu\lambda} \epsilon_{\alpha \beta \nu} \partial^\alpha \tilde{F}_\lambda = 0 ##

and then use the identity I quoted in my first post:

## (\delta^\mu_\alpha \delta^\lambda_\beta - \delta^\lambda_\alpha \delta^\mu_\beta) \partial_\mu \partial^\alpha \tilde{F}_\lambda + 2ke^2 g^{\nu\lambda} \epsilon_{\alpha \beta \nu} \partial^\alpha \tilde{F}_\lambda = 0 ##

This becomes

##\partial_\alpha \partial^\alpha \tilde{F}_\beta - \partial_\beta \partial^\alpha \tilde{F}_\alpha+ (2ke^2) g_{\beta \rho} [- \epsilon^{\rho \alpha \lambda} \partial_\alpha \tilde{F}_\lambda] = 0 ## Eq.2

where we have also done a simple rewriting of the third term. The second term in Eq.2 vanishes because ## \partial^\alpha \tilde{F}_\alpha = 0## as can be seen from:

##\partial_\mu \tilde{F}^\mu = {1 \over 2} \epsilon^{\mu \nu \rho} \partial_\mu F_{\nu \rho} = {1 \over 2} \epsilon^{\mu \nu \rho} \partial_\mu (\partial_\nu A_\rho - \partial_\rho A_\nu) = 0 ##.

Also using Eq.1 in the third term of Eq.2, Eq.2 then reads:

## \partial_\alpha \partial^\alpha \tilde{F}_\beta + (2ke^2) g_{\beta \rho} [(2ke^2) g^{\rho \lambda} \tilde{F}_\lambda] = 0 ##

which easily simplifies to

## \big[ \partial_\alpha \partial^\alpha + (2ke^2)^2 \big] \tilde{F}_\beta = 0 ##.
 
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And to show that ##F^{\mu \nu}## satisfies the Klein-Gordon equation write the last equation of the previous post as:

##{1 \over 2} \epsilon_{\beta \rho \sigma} \big[ \partial_\alpha \partial^\alpha + (2ke^2)^2 \big] F^{\rho \sigma} = 0##

contract with ##\epsilon^{\beta \mu \nu}##, use that identity again and that ##F^{\mu \nu} = - F^{\nu \mu}##.
 
Fantastic, thank you very much :D
 
I'm now trying to derive the Hamiltonian. The paper I'm reading says I start by rewriting the Lagrangian as
##\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2e^2}E_i^2-\frac{1}{2e^2}B^2 +
k\epsilon^{ij}\dot{A}_iA_j + 2kA_0B##

I have most of this, but instead of ##2kA_0B## I have
##kA_0B + k\epsilon^{ij}A_i\partial_j A_0##

I'm guessing the two terms are equal since that would give me what I need but I don't know how to show it.

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I rewrote the last term as
##\partial_j(\epsilon^{ij}A_iA_0)-\epsilon^{ij}\partial_jA_iA_0##

Relabling indices in the second term here and swapping on the epsilon gives me what I want, but I still have an extra term of ##-\epsilon^{ij}\partial_i(A_jA_0)##

Since it's a total derivative and hence won't change the equations of motion I'm thinking they might have dropped it? I can't see any other reason for it disappearing.
 
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When you get a term like this you convert it into surface term. Generally speaking with action principles, such terms may vanish by boundary conditions, but if they don't then the action is not extremum. In order to cancel out the surface integral, and so obtain an action that is stationary for solutions of the e.o.m. in the bulk under all variations (and not just those variations that vanish for the surface term), you have to add a boundary term to the action principle.

How surface terms are treated in Chern-Simons theory is subtle and can lead to important boundary effects. I think from a previous thread you know that the gauge-invariance of Chern-Simons theory is only guaranteed if a boundary term vanishes. This has implications for current (non-)conservation on the boundary. I don't know enough about it to say much more right now.

What paper are you looking at?
 
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