Understanding Partial Derivatives: A Visual Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of partial derivatives, particularly in the context of a PHY101 course. Participants express confusion regarding the differentiation process with respect to a single variable while treating others as constants, and seek clarification through visual explanations and examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of partial derivatives, particularly how to differentiate with respect to one variable while treating others as constants.
  • Another participant explains that taking the partial derivative of a product (like xyz) with respect to one variable (like y) involves treating the other variables (x and z) as constants, leading to the expression xz.
  • A mathematical expression involving double integrals and exponential functions is presented, although its relevance to the discussion is not clarified.
  • There is a mention of a desire for a textbook that explains these concepts more clearly, indicating a potential gap in the course material.
  • Reiteration of the explanation about treating other variables as constants is provided, along with a reference to basic calculus principles, suggesting that the process is similar to regular derivatives.
  • A visual analogy is proposed, comparing the concept of partial derivatives to slicing a solid shape and examining the rate of change along an edge, which may help in understanding the concept better.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mechanics of taking partial derivatives, but there is disagreement regarding the clarity of the course material and whether the initial poster fully understands the concept. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods for visualizing and comprehending partial derivatives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the explanations may not fully address the initial confusion, indicating potential limitations in the teaching approach or materials used in the course.

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OK, they're throwing pretty weird concepts to our heads in this PHY101 course. stuff like even partial derivatives that we didnt take in math. differentiating partially with respect to a single variable treating others as contants is NOT getting through my head. can someon PLEASE illustrate it for me?
 
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partial derive of xyz with respect to y (say) is as if z and x are just numbers
so you get xz*1= xz.

Say you replaced every other variable with a fixed number except the var. you differentiate. It is then just regular derivatives. Remember calc 1? What is the deriv. (w/ resp. to x) of Cx^4 ...ANS> C*4*x^3. Now, change C to another variable y,z,w ...whatever.. same math.

Hope it helps.
 
[tex] E_p(k_X, k_Y) = \iint E_s(x,y)e^{i(xk_X+yk_Y)}\,dx\,dy[/tex]
 
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heh, wish I knew what text you were using, I was looking for a phy101 that does exactly this(but that it does it without warning you before you enroll is pretty nasty)
 
gammamcc said:
partial derive of xyz with respect to y (say) is as if z and x are just numbers
so you get xz*1= xz.

Say you replaced every other variable with a fixed number except the var. you differentiate. It is then just regular derivatives.


Remember calc 1? What is the deriv. (w/ resp. to x) of Cx^4 ...ANS> C*4*x^3. Now, change C to another variable y,z,w ...whatever.. same math.

Hope it helps.

pretty sure he doesn't get the concept but he knows how to do it.

It's like the derivative wrt x (say) along a curve where z,y are constant. Drawing a picture will make it easy straight away. Think of a solid shape. Chop it into two pieces. The rate of change along the edge is kind of doing a partial derivative.
 

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