Understanding PIN Photodetector Bandwidth for Vibration Sensing

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The discussion centers on the use of PIN photodetectors for vibration sensing through intensity modulation, specifically exploring the implications of bandwidth on performance at low frequencies. Participants are examining the characteristics of PIN photodetectors in relation to their responsiveness and suitability for different frequency ranges in fiber optic sensor applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the bandwidth of PIN photodetectors and its impact on low-frequency responsiveness.
  • Another participant clarifies the distinction between optical bandwidth and modulating frequency bandwidth, specifically referencing the modulating frequency bandwidth.
  • A participant questions whether the responsivity of a PIN photodetector is reduced at lower frequencies and seeks clarification on the relationship between bandwidth and performance.
  • Concerns are raised about the high 3dB point for certain receivers and the role of additional circuitry in limiting low-frequency response.
  • One participant suggests that for low-frequency intensity-modulated signals, a dc-coupled photodetector may be more appropriate due to the ac coupling in typical telecommunications applications.
  • A participant describes their intended method of using Fiber Bragg Grating (FBG) for vibration sensing and expresses uncertainty about the frequency range and potential noise issues.
  • Discussion includes the impact of 1/f noise on low-frequency performance and its potential role in limiting bandwidth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the effectiveness of PIN photodetectors at low frequencies, with some suggesting limitations due to noise and others proposing alternative configurations for specific applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach for low-frequency vibration sensing.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence on specific configurations and the potential influence of external circuitry on the performance of PIN photodetectors. The discussion highlights the complexity of factors affecting bandwidth and responsiveness in practical applications.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineers and researchers involved in the design of fiber optic sensors, particularly those exploring the use of PIN photodetectors for vibration sensing applications.

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I'm trying to design a fiber optic sensor to sense vibration via intensity modulation.
I'm new in this field and i don't know whether I can use a PIN photodetector for low frequency or not... what's the bandwidth of a PIN Photodetector? Does it mean its responsivity is limited in low frequency? Could you please tell me what does the "bandwidth" mean exactly in PIN Photodetector?

I really appreciate for your prompt answer.
 
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Are you talking about the optical (spectral) bandwidth (light frequency or wavelength(~ 400 to ~1000 nm)) or the modulating frequency bandwidth (dc-~250 MHz)?
 
Dear Bob;
thanks for your attention...

I mean the modulating frequency bandwidth. e.g. the second page of the attached file mention the Low and high Cut-off Frequency.

Or: Please see the "bandwidth" in :
http://qphotonics.com/catalog/Fiber-coupled-InGaAs-PIN-photodiode-p-180.html
this point to minimum and maximum bandwidth. does it mean in lower frequency, the responsivity is reduced? or... what?

I've read somewhere that in low frequency the PIN Photodetector acts as usual photodetector. Is it true? So why in the papers it have been mentioned that high speed PIN photodetectors are used for detecting signals only about 300KHz or so...
 

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I don't understand the high 3dB point of 1MHz for a 1.25Gbps receiver, but the low 3db point is probably there to help limit noise at the output. Since the receiver is optimized for modulation frequencies up around 1GHz, there is no need to pass low-frequency content, which only adds to noise with no signal content.

And yes, a PIN photodiode has response down to DC. It would be other circuitry in the receiver that is limiting the low-frequency response of this module.
 
hi roujhan-
These units are built primarily for telecommunications applications, and have built-in transimpedance amplifiers that are ac coupled to the PIN-diode. For your application, because of the ac coupling, you would have to use a ~1 MHz- 100 MHz carrier illumination which the vibration would phase modulate. For a low frequency intensity-modulated signal, you probably should use a dc-coupled photodetector. What is the vibration frequency, and how does the vibration intensity-modulate the signal?
Bob S
 
Hi roujhan-
Here in the thumbnail is a list of PIN diodes available from www.digikey.com at about $1.00 to $10.00 each.
Bob S
 

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Thanks a million Bob,
about the method vibration modulates the light intensity:
I want to use FBG (Fiber Bragg Grating) that its Bragg wavelength suffer shift when strain is applied to. since the vibration in fact is a dynamic strain, so with vibration the Bragg wavelength will change in time. with a filter or another FBG as a demodulator the wavelength shifts convert to the intensity modulation.
But about the frequency range:
No exact answer because First I should work with low frequencies (50-200Hz) but for the next step the frequency should be increased to about 400KHz.
And: Could you please explain a little more about this:"...you would have to use a ~1 MHz- 100 MHz carrier illumination which the vibration would phase modulate."

Dear Berkeman,
thanks for your attention;
I think in low frequency we will have some problem with 1/f noise and may be it's the one limits bandwidth...
It seems there is a lot I don't know...
Sorry and Thanks for your help.
 
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