Understanding Solutions to Quadratic and Radical Equations

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The discussion revolves around the differences in solutions for quadratic equations versus radical equations, specifically examining the equations x² = 4 and x = 4^(1/2). Participants explore the reasoning behind the distinct solutions and the implications of square roots in these contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that x² = 4 yields two solutions, x = ±2, due to the nature of squaring, while x = 4^(1/2) results in a single solution, x = 2, as it directly represents the principal square root.
  • Others argue that the square root operation is unique, and thus when evaluating x = 4^(1/2), it is assumed to yield only the positive root, which is 2.
  • A participant highlights that the squaring function is not one-to-one, which leads to the loss of sign information, hence the need for the ± symbol in the quadratic case.
  • Another participant points out that the square root of a variable, as in x² = 4, introduces ambiguity, allowing for multiple potential solutions, while the square root of a constant does not.
  • Some participants emphasize that when introducing a square root, one must consider both positive and negative solutions, as in the case of x² = 9, which leads to x = ±3.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of defining square roots for negative numbers and how this affects the uniqueness of solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between the solutions of quadratic and radical equations, but there is ongoing debate regarding the interpretation of square roots and the implications of negative solutions. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully clarifying these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying square root operations, particularly regarding the treatment of negative values and the implications of the principal square root. There is also a lack of consensus on how to best communicate these ideas to students.

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Can someone explain why the solution for x in x^2 = 4 is x = 2, -2
while the solution for x in x = 4 ^ (1/2) is 2
 
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1.) $\displaystyle x^2=4$

Now, using the square root property, we find:

$\displaystyle x=\pm\sqrt{4}=\pm2$

2.) $\displaystyle x=4^{\frac{1}{2}}=\sqrt{4}=2$

You see, in the first equation, we have the square of x being equal to a positive value (4), which means x may have two values as the square of a negative is positive.

In the second equation, we simply have x equal to a positive value, so there is just that one solution.
 
avr5iron said:
Can someone explain why the solution for x in x^2 = 4 is x = 2, -2
while the solution for x in x = 4 ^ (1/2) is 2

I remember being confused about this too, and here is where the confusion comes from I think. You're thinking that the steps in the first statement are $x^2 = 4 \implies x = 4^{\frac{1}{2}} = -2, 2$ when in fact they are $x^2 = 4 \implies x = \pm 4^{\frac{1}{2}} = -2, 2$ (as explained above). Now there's no inconsistency.
 
naively, one might think:

$x^2 = 4$

therefore:

$(x^2)^{\frac{1}{2}} = 4^{\frac{1}{2}}$

that is:

$x^{(2)\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)} = x = 2$.

and we know that if $x = -2$ we have $x^2 = 4$, so what gives?

in general, the rule:

$(a^b)^c = a^{bc}$

only holds for POSITIVE numbers $a$ (it is a GOOD idea to burn this into your brain). $a = 0$ is a special case, normally it's fine, but problems arise with $0^0$.

while it is true that:

$(k^b)^c = k^{bc}$ for INTEGERS $k$, and INTEGERS $b$ and $c$, things go horribly wrong when we try to define things like:

$(-4)^{\frac{1}{2}}$

and what this means is, when we write:

$x^{\frac{1}{2}} = y$

we are already tacitly assuming $x > 0$.

you can see the graph of $f(x) = \sqrt{x} = x^{\frac{1}{2}}$ here:

y = x^(1/2) - Wolfram|Alpha

the "orange lines" mean that the values of $y$ at $x < 0$ are complex-but-not-real (in fact, they are pure imaginary).

on a deeper level, what is happening is this:

the "squaring function" is not 1-1, it always converts signs to positive (even if we started with a negative). you can think of this as "losing information about where we started from". as a result, we can only "partially recover" our beginnings, by taking a square root (we know the size, but we can only guess at the sign).

the symbol $\pm$ in the answer to $x^2 = 4$ (that is: $x = \pm 2$) is the way we indicate this uncertainty.

however, the function $y = x^{\frac{1}{2}}$ is only defined for $x \geq 0$ (we only get "the top half of the parabola" $y^2 = x$), so at $x = 4$, we have a unique value, namely: 2.

this indicates a peculiarity of functions: they can "shrink" or "collapse" their domains, but they only give ONE output for ONE input, so they cannot always "reverse themselves".
 
Hello, avr5iron!

$\text{Can someone explain why the solution is }\pm2\,\text{ for }\,x^2 \:=\: 4$
. . $\text{while the solution is }2\,\text{ for }\,x \:=\: 4^{\frac{1}{2}}$
The first is a quadratic equation; it has two roots.

. . $x^2 - 4 \:=\:0 \quad\Rightarrow\quad (x-2)(x+2) \:=\:0 \quad\Rightarrow\quad x \:=\:\pm2$The second is a linear equation; one root.

. . $x \:=\:4^{\frac{1}{2}} \:=\:\sqrt{4} \quad\Rightarrow\quad x \:=\:2$~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~I have explained this to my students like this . . .If they give us a square root,
. . we assume it has the principal (positive) value.

So that: .$\sqrt{9} \:=\:3$If we introduce a square root,
. . then we take the responsibility for both values.

So that: $x^2 \,=\,9 \quad\Rightarrow\quad x \,=\,\pm\sqrt{9} \quad\Rightarrow\quad x \,=\,\pm3$
 
$\sqrt{4}$ you are performing the square root operation on a number so the result is unique , it is like usual operations you don't get multiple answers if you add or multiply
numbers but when you have $x^2=4 \,\,\Rightarrow \,\, \sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{4}$ then $\pm x=2 $ so we are actually performing the square
root property on a variable now the result is not unique since a variable might have mutl-
iple answers .
 
When someone asks for $ \sqrt{4} $ , are they not asking for a value to be determined x , such that

$ 4 = x \cdot x $

In this sense , x = -2 is a solution by inspection.
 

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