Understanding Sonic Booms and Light Speed Phenomena

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the phenomena of sonic booms and their potential analogs in light, particularly focusing on Cherenkov radiation and the concept of "surfing" waves. Participants explore the behavior of sound and light waves in different media and the implications of speed relative to these waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that as a sound source approaches the speed of sound, a sonic boom occurs, and they question if a similar phenomenon exists for light.
  • Others mention Cherenkov radiation as an example where charged particles moving faster than light in a medium emit photons, suggesting a parallel to sonic booms.
  • One participant expresses unfamiliarity with Cherenkov radiation and indicates a need to learn more about it.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of "surfing" sound waves, referencing Chuck Yeager's experience, and questions whether anything can surf light waves in a medium or vacuum.
  • Some participants argue that while surfing light waves in a vacuum may not be possible, it can be achieved using microwaves in a medium, describing the use of slow wave structures to accelerate particles.
  • Technical details are provided regarding how electromagnetic waves can be manipulated to allow for particle acceleration, likening this process to surfing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the analogies between sonic and light phenomena, particularly concerning the feasibility of surfing light waves. The discussion remains unresolved with differing opinions on the nature of wave interactions.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of wave behavior and the conditions under which particles interact with electromagnetic fields. The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of light in different media and the mechanics of wave-particle interactions.

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As speed of the sounding source approaches speed of sound, sonic boom is heard...

Can it happen in terms of light too.. ?
 
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Samia qureshi said:
As speed of the sounding source approaches speed of sound, sonic boom is heard...

Can it happen in terms of light too.. ?

Yes. Cherenkov radiation is what you are looking for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
In short, when an electrically charged particle moves faster than the "speed of light in a medium", it emits photons, the so called cherenkov radiation.
 
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Garlic said:
Yes. Cherenkov radiation is what you are looking for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
In short, when an electrically charged particle moves faster than the "speed of light in a medium", it emits photons, the so called cherenkov radiation.
Cherenkov_radiation its a new term for me had never heard about it before :oops: let me read it first o_O Thank you
 
Samia qureshi said:
Thank you

No problem :smile:
 
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Objects can surf sound waves. Chuck Yeager reported the feeling of his jet surfing the sound wave. Can anything surf a light wave either in a medium or a vacuum? I'm assuming no for the vacuum.
 
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Kevin McHugh said:
Can anything surf a light wave either in a medium or a vacuum?
This can certainly be achieved using microwaves, rather than light. Particles cannot travel at c so it is always necessary that the EM wave is deliberately slowed down for this to work. You can use a 'slow wave structure', for instance a helical transmission line, to accelerate charged particles. A wave that's launched along the helix will have a series of maxes and mins of E field that sweep along the helix. Electrons can be caught by the fields in the wave and accelerated. That sounds a lot like 'surfing' to me.
A linear accelerator, used in modern X ray machines, used for radiotherapy, works on a similar principle by E fields, sweeping along the accelerator tube.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
This can certainly be achieved using microwaves, rather than light. Particles cannot travel at c so it is always necessary that the EM wave is deliberately slowed down for this to work. You can use a 'slow wave structure', for instance a helical transmission line, to accelerate charged particles. A wave that's launched along the helix will have a series of maxes and mins of E field that sweep along the helix. Electrons can be caught by the fields in the wave and accelerated. That sounds a lot like 'surfing' to me.
A linear accelerator, used in modern X ray machines, used for radiotherapy, works on a similar principle by E fields, sweeping along the accelerator tube.

Thanks Sophie :cool:
 

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