Understanding Support Types: Single vs Double Roller for Cantilever Structures

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences between single and double roller supports in cantilever structures, particularly in the context of how these supports respond to vertical displacements. Participants explore the implications of replacing pinned supports with roller supports and the conditions under which a cantilever can be modeled with a single roller versus a double roller.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why a cantilever cannot be modeled with a single roller instead of a double roller, suggesting that the differences in support types affect the system's response to vertical displacement.
  • One participant explains that if the support at point A is a pin, the beam can rotate about A, accommodating vertical displacement similarly to a roller support.
  • Another participant argues that a cantilever does not allow for rotation at the support, implying that vertical displacement behaves as if supported by a double roller.
  • There is a clarification that a roller allows for one-dimensional movement, while a fixed cantilever does not permit rotation, leading to different constraints on the system.
  • Participants discuss the mechanics of how a double roller, constrained to slide in a track, would not permit rotation, contrasting it with the behavior of a pin support.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of modeling a cantilever with a single roller versus a double roller, indicating that no consensus has been reached regarding the implications of these support types.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of supports under vertical displacement and the definitions of support types, which may not be universally agreed upon. The implications of these assumptions on the overall system response remain unresolved.

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Homework Statement


In i ) I was told that for the pinned support , we can assume to replace it with a roller , while for the cantilever , we can assume it to be supported by double roller .

For the cantilever , why we can't replace it with roller instead of double roller ? What 's the difference between double and single roller ?

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In iv ) I was told that we can use roller guide , so from the figure , it's single roller , right ? So , IMO , the ii) was wrong , for the cantilever , we should always use [/B]single roller
 

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fonseh said:

Homework Statement


In i ) I was told that for the pinned support , we can assume to replace it with a roller , while for the cantilever , we can assume it to be supported by double roller .

For the cantilever , why we can't replace it with roller instead of double roller ? What 's the difference between double and single roller ?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


In iv ) I was told that we can use roller guide , so from the figure , it's single roller , right ? So , IMO , the ii) was wrong , for the cantilever , we should always use [/B]single roller
Took me a while, but I think I get it.
The question posed is what happens to the rest of the system if the point A is somehow displaced "vertically".
If A is only a pin, the beam can accommodate the displacement by rotating about A. So the effect is the same as if A were just a roller in the first place.
If the joint at A is a cantilever then the beam cannot rotate about it. So displacing A vertically is like the support at A being a double roller.
 
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haruspex said:
Took me a while, but I think I get it.
The question posed is what happens to the rest of the system if the point A is somehow displaced "vertically".
If A is only a pin, the beam can accommodate the displacement by rotating about A. So the effect is the same as if A were just a roller in the first place.
If the joint at A is a cantilever then the beam cannot rotate about it. So displacing A vertically is like the support at A being a double roller.
Well , thanks for your explanation .But ,If A is only a pin, rotating about Av has the same effect as if A were just a roller in the first place?

Secondly , why placing a double roller at A will not allow rotation ?
 
fonseh said:
,If A is only a pin, rotating about Av has the same effect as if A were just a roller in the first place?
No. A roller is like a pin that can also slide in one direction.
The actual support at A is a pin. We are looking at the consequences of movement of that support in the vertical direction.
Pin + 1 dimensional movement = roller.
Similarly,
Fixed (cantilever) + 1 dimensional movement = double roller.
fonseh said:
why placing a double roller at A will not allow rotation ?
That's what a double roller does. Each roller is constrained to slide in a track. Rotation would tug one of them out of the track.

See if http://www.engr.uky.edu/~gebland/CE 382/CE 382 Four Slides per Page/L4 - Support Reactions.pdf helps.
 

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