Understanding Support Types: Single vs Double Roller for Cantilever Structures

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In i ) I was told that for the pinned support , we can assume to replace it with a roller , while for the cantilever , we can assume it to be supported by double roller .

For the cantilever , why we can't replace it with roller instead of double roller ? What 's the difference between double and single roller ?

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In iv ) I was told that we can use roller guide , so from the figure , it's single roller , right ? So , IMO , the ii) was wrong , for the cantilever , we should always use [/B]single roller
 
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  • Textbook page showing Figure 5.1 with three beam support diagrams and an influence line graph for RA, and Figure 5.2 with a deflected cantilever shape and its influence line for RA, plus Example 5.4 text on influence lines.
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  • Figure 5.3 to 5.5 from a structural analysis text: influence line diagrams for a simply supported beam, showing deflected shapes, shear at support Va, and moment at point C with a hinge.
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fonseh said:

Homework Statement


In i ) I was told that for the pinned support , we can assume to replace it with a roller , while for the cantilever , we can assume it to be supported by double roller .

For the cantilever , why we can't replace it with roller instead of double roller ? What 's the difference between double and single roller ?

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The Attempt at a Solution


In iv ) I was told that we can use roller guide , so from the figure , it's single roller , right ? So , IMO , the ii) was wrong , for the cantilever , we should always use [/B]single roller
Took me a while, but I think I get it.
The question posed is what happens to the rest of the system if the point A is somehow displaced "vertically".
If A is only a pin, the beam can accommodate the displacement by rotating about A. So the effect is the same as if A were just a roller in the first place.
If the joint at A is a cantilever then the beam cannot rotate about it. So displacing A vertically is like the support at A being a double roller.
 
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haruspex said:
Took me a while, but I think I get it.
The question posed is what happens to the rest of the system if the point A is somehow displaced "vertically".
If A is only a pin, the beam can accommodate the displacement by rotating about A. So the effect is the same as if A were just a roller in the first place.
If the joint at A is a cantilever then the beam cannot rotate about it. So displacing A vertically is like the support at A being a double roller.
Well , thanks for your explanation .But ,If A is only a pin, rotating about Av has the same effect as if A were just a roller in the first place?

Secondly , why placing a double roller at A will not allow rotation ?
 
fonseh said:
,If A is only a pin, rotating about Av has the same effect as if A were just a roller in the first place?
No. A roller is like a pin that can also slide in one direction.
The actual support at A is a pin. We are looking at the consequences of movement of that support in the vertical direction.
Pin + 1 dimensional movement = roller.
Similarly,
Fixed (cantilever) + 1 dimensional movement = double roller.
fonseh said:
why placing a double roller at A will not allow rotation ?
That's what a double roller does. Each roller is constrained to slide in a track. Rotation would tug one of them out of the track.

See if http://www.engr.uky.edu/~gebland/CE 382/CE 382 Four Slides per Page/L4 - Support Reactions.pdf helps.