Understanding the definition of a soliton

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The discussion revolves around the definition and characteristics of solitons, particularly focusing on the role of the displacement term ##\delta_i## in the energy density expression for solitons as defined in R. Rajaraman's book. Participants explore the implications of this term in the context of soliton behavior during collisions, examining both theoretical and conceptual aspects of solitons in non-linear partial differential equations (PDEs).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of the displacement term ##\delta_i##, suggesting that solitons should appear unchanged after collisions.
  • Another participant proposes that the displacement could be analogous to a wave packet formed at a distance from its source, implying that the center of the wave may not align with the emitter.
  • A participant reflects on the definition of solitons, indicating that the displacement might be a way to accommodate various non-linear equations, noting that for linear equations, ##\delta_i## would be zero.
  • There is a suggestion that verbal descriptions of solitons should be approached with caution, emphasizing the importance of mathematical definitions over intuitive understandings.
  • One participant acknowledges the lack of a universally accepted definition of solitons, noting that some solutions may be classified as solitons under certain definitions while excluded by others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the displacement term ##\delta_i## and its implications for the definition of solitons. There is no consensus on whether this term is essential or merely a mathematical artifact, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty in the understanding of solitons.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of defining solitons, particularly in the context of non-linear PDEs, and the potential variability in definitions across different sources. Participants acknowledge that their intuitions may be limited, especially regarding linear versus non-linear cases.

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I'm learning about solitons from a book called Solitons and Instantons by R. Rajaraman.

He defines (page 14-15) a soliton as a solution to a (possibly non-linear) PDE where the energy density of the system is of the form ##\epsilon (x,t) = \sum_i \epsilon_0(x-a_i-u_i t-\delta_i)##, as ##t \rightarrow \infty ## where the i index permits that we have more waves traveling with speed ##u_i##, ##a_i## is their initial positions, and ##\epsilon_0## is the energy density resulting from a single wave.

My problem is with understanding what ##\delta_i## means. Here's what the books says:
"##\delta_i## represents the possibility that the solitons may suffer a bodily displacement compared with their pre-collision trajectories. This displacement should be the sole residual effect of the collisions if they are to be solitons."

The picture I have in mind about solitons is that after collision they look like if they hadn't collided, so why do we need this extra displacement?
 
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Could this be due to the soliton being formed some short distance from the wave emitter. As an example, a boat traveling down a canal pushes water in front of it and then stops abruptly and the water waves continue traveling. The center of the wave packet isn’t at the boats prow necessarily right?
 
Robin04 said:
The picture I have in mind about solitons is that after collision they look like if they hadn't collided, so why do we need this extra displacement?
Isn't it just saying that if you run alongside a soliton (at speed ##u_i##) and it interacts with another soliton you may, afterwards, find that you are ahead or behind your soliton by distance ##\delta_i##? I wouldn't regard a wholesale displacement as a change to a soliton - otherwise it could only be frozen in place.

I suspect you know more about solitons than I do if you are actually studying them, but generally you should take verbal descriptions of physical phenomena (like "solitons don't change") with a grain of salt. Trust the maths. If there are solutions to the PDEs that have the stated property then such solutions exist, whether you call them solitons or not, and whether you describe them as "not changing" or not. Your author apparently does call them solitons. Whether this is common practice or not I couldn't say.
 
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jedishrfu said:
Could this be due to the soliton being formed some short distance from the wave emitter. As an example, a boat traveling down a canal pushes water in front of it and then stops abruptly and the water waves continue traveling. The center of the wave packet isn’t at the boats prow necessarily right?
I wasn't precise enough with the definition. It has another part: ##\epsilon = \sum_i \epsilon_0(x-a_i-u_it)##, as ##t \rightarrow -\infty##
So this ##\delta_i## has to come from the collision.

Ibix said:
Isn't it just saying that if you run alongside a soliton (at speed ##u_i##) and it interacts with another soliton you may, afterwards, find that you are ahead or behind your soliton by distance ##\delta_i##? I wouldn't regard a wholesale displacement as a change to a soliton - otherwise it could only be frozen in place.

I suspect you know more about solitons than I do if you are actually studying them, but generally you should take verbal descriptions of physical phenomena (like "solitons don't change") with a grain of salt. Trust the maths. If there are solutions to the PDEs that have the stated property then such solutions exist, whether you call them solitons or not, and whether you describe them as "not changing" or not. Your author apparently does call them solitons. Whether this is common practice or not I couldn't say.

You're right. Probably this extra displacement is included only to allow certain non-linear equations' solutions to be called solitons as well, as there quite a few. For linear equations ##\delta_i=0## for sure, and my intuition is still too limited to linear equations but coming back to the problem after a few days, now I see that this extra term doesn't say much about the physics of solitons. And indeed, the author mentioned that there's not really a commonly accepted definition, some solutions are called solitons according to one definition but excluded by others.
 

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