Understanding the hot shallow layer above the earth surface

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the temperature gradient in the shallow layer of air above the Earth's surface, particularly focusing on the significant temperature differences reported between this layer and the air at waist height. Participants explore the validity of claims made in a Wikipedia article regarding diurnal temperature variation and share personal experiences and measurements related to temperature differences in various contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the temperature difference of up to 30°F between the shallow layer of air and the air above it, seeking clarification on how such a discrete separation occurs.
  • Another participant asserts that the temperature difference is true, citing observations from sporting events where ground-level temperatures are measured.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of steep temperature gradients, with one participant suggesting that steeper gradients might indicate more efficient heat transfer, contrary to the original claim of inefficiency.
  • A participant shares a personal experiment conducted years ago, noting that their measurements showed a smaller temperature difference than suggested, indicating variability based on conditions.
  • Measurements of surface temperatures on different materials are provided, showing significant differences in temperature compared to air temperature measured at a height, highlighting the influence of surface type and environmental conditions.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the methodology of temperature measurement in a past experiment, with acknowledgment that the measurements may have pertained to air temperature rather than surface temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the temperature differences reported, with some agreeing on the existence of a gradient while others question the extent of the difference. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the efficiency of heat transfer and the accuracy of reported temperature variations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that conditions such as time of year and surface type can affect temperature readings, suggesting that results may vary based on specific circumstances and measurement methods.

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In Wikipedia page of Diurnal Temperature variation, there is a statement as following: "As solar energy strikes the earth’s surface each morning, a shallow (1–3 cm) layer of air directly above the ground is heated by conduction. Heat exchange between this shallow layer of warm air and the cooler air above is very inefficient. On a warm summer’s day, for example, air temperatures may vary by 30°F from just above the ground to waist height."
First of all, do you believe it? And if you do, how comes that there is such a discrete temperature separation (a difference of up to 30°F) of these two layers (the 3 cm one and the one above it)?
 
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It is definitely true. Haven't you ever seen reporters put a thermometer near the ground at a sporting event on a hot day?

The reason for the difference is that the sun is very efficiently heating the ground and the ground gets very hot.

I'm not sure I would agree that the steep gradient near the ground is a sign of inefficient heat transfer though: steeper gradients generally means faster and/or more efficient heat transfer.
 
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The statement is indeed in the reference wiki gives, however there is no further reference.

Many years ago, I was involved in a small local experiment on our air base because we had concerns about temperature difference between station temperature and runway temperature during scorching hot days, as engine performance is a direct function of the air temperature. I remember that we had three temperature series, runway surface, at 1.5 meters and reported station temeprature. There was a difference of a few degrees between surface and station with the 1.5 meters some where in between, so not nearly as much as the syllabus suggests. But it may not have been hot enough.
 
I checked the surface temperatures of some hard surfaces outside, on what is a very clear day, with light wind:

White Concrete: 76F
Black Pavement: 91F

Air temperature under shade, 7' off the ground: 51F

Since it is late November, the sun is relatively low, even for 1PM, so this differential is a lot lower than it would be in the summer.
 
russ_watters said:
How did you measure the runway temp?

I did not, I was merely observing the process. It was done however by the NLR way back in the 80's. But I realize it may not have been surface temperature but air temperature very close to the ground. I remember that there was a discussion that the difference was lower than expected.
 
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