Understanding the Momentum of Changing Electric Fields

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The discussion revolves around the concept of momentum associated with changing electric fields, particularly in the context of electrodynamics. Participants explore the relationship between electric fields, magnetic fields, and the Poynting vector, examining whether a changing electric field alone can be said to possess momentum.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that any changing electric field has momentum.
  • Others argue that a changing electric field alone does not carry momentum and that the induced magnetic field and the Poynting vector must be considered.
  • A participant cites the momentum density stored in the electromagnetic field as given by the equation ρEM = μ0ε0 (E × B), indicating that momentum can only be stored when both electric and magnetic fields are present.
  • It is noted that even static fields can have momentum if the Poynting vector is non-zero.
  • One participant acknowledges that not all electric fields will have momentum, particularly if either the electric or magnetic field is zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus; there are competing views regarding the conditions under which electric fields can be said to possess momentum.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the presence of both electric and magnetic fields for momentum to be present, as well as the conditions under which the Poynting vector is non-zero.

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Is it fair to say that any changing electric field (hence electrodynamic) has momentum?
 
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I don't think so.
 
No it isn't. A changing E-field alone does not carry momentum. You have to consider with it the induced B-field and the Poynting vector.

The momentum density stored in the electromagnetic field is given by:

[tex]\rho_{EM}=\mu_0\epsilon_0 \vec{S}=\mu_0\epsilon_0 (\vec{E}\times \vec{B})[/tex]

There's a few pieces of information we can gain from this equation:

1. Momentum can only be stored in a field that has non zero E and B.

2. The fields do not need to be time varying. Even a static field can have momentum, as long as its Poynting vector is not zero.
 
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Thank you very much GO1.

So in the example I had the Poynting vector would be non zero. But that is not the case for all electric fields and all conditions. If either E or B are zero then you have no momentum.

GO1 do you use a tool for creating latex equations or are you just entering the codes?
 
Your welcome!

Physics Forums, being the great place that it is, has Latex built in:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=386951

You can also click on the [itex]\Sigma[/itex] box on the reply to page to pull up a handy latex code library.
 
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