Understanding the Relationship between Line Element and Length in Four Vectors

In summary, the line element and length of a four vector are related but have slightly different definitions. The line element is a notational way of conveying infinitesimal arc-length, while the length of a vector is simply the inner product of the vector with itself. If the magnitude of a four-vector is calculated to be -1, it is still considered a unit vector according to the conventions used in GR books.
  • #1
asdqwe
1
0
What is the difference between the line element and length of a four vector? They both seem to have the same definition just with slightly different notation, so is the line element just the length of a specfic vector.

Also, if the magnitude of a four-vector is calculated to b -1 is this still a unit vector?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
The line element, when you see it in the notation ##ds^2## in GR books, is usually written in the coordinate basis as ##ds^2 = g(\partial_{\mu},\partial_{\nu})dx^{\mu}dx^{\nu}= g_{\mu\nu}dx^{\mu} dx^{\nu}## where the ##\partial_{\mu}## are the coordinate vector fields and the ##dx^{\mu}## are the corresponding covector fields on ##U\subseteq M## for some space-time ##(M,g)##. It is a notational way of conveying "infinitesimal arc-length" because the actual ##g = g(\partial_{\mu},\partial_{\nu})dx^{\mu}\otimes dx^{\nu}##, still in the coordinate basis, doesn't really convey the same intuition. The metric tensor itself is just a map that assigns an inner product to each ##T_{p}M## (with some extra conditions e.g. the inner product must vary smoothly from tangent space to tangent space). All we have done is express this map in the coordinate basis.

On the other hand, for ##v\in T_{p}M##, the length of this vector is simply, in the coordinate basis, ##g(v,v) = g_{\mu\nu}v^{\mu}v^{\nu}##. And yes, if ##g(v,v) = -1## it is, at least in GR books, still called a vector of "unit" norm if the ##g_{\mu\nu}v^{\mu}v^{\nu} < 0## for time-like vectors convention is used anyways.
 
Last edited:

What is a line element in four vectors?

A line element in four vectors is a mathematical concept that represents the infinitesimal distance between two points in four-dimensional space. It is represented by a vector with four components, corresponding to the three spatial dimensions and one time dimension.

How does the line element relate to length in four vectors?

The line element is directly related to the length of a four vector. In fact, the magnitude of a four vector is equal to the square root of the dot product of the vector with itself. This dot product is essentially the sum of the squares of the four components of the vector, which is equivalent to the line element squared.

What is the significance of understanding the relationship between line element and length in four vectors?

Understanding this relationship is crucial in many areas of physics, particularly in relativity and quantum mechanics. It allows us to calculate distances and intervals in four-dimensional space-time, which is essential in accurately describing physical phenomena.

Can the line element and length in four vectors be negative?

Yes, both the line element and length in four vectors can be negative. This is because they are related to the concept of space-time intervals, which can be either space-like, time-like, or light-like. Negative values typically indicate a space-like interval, which means that the distance between two points in space is greater than the time interval between them.

How does the understanding of this relationship impact our understanding of the physical world?

This understanding plays a crucial role in our understanding of the physical world, particularly in the realm of relativity. It allows us to accurately describe and predict the behavior of objects moving at high speeds and in strong gravitational fields. Without this understanding, our understanding of the physical world would be incomplete.

Similar threads

  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
11
Views
1K
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
12
Views
834
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
21
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
1K
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
11
Views
430
Back
Top