Understanding the Science Behind Fire: The Phenomenon of Upward Movement

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Fire behaves by creating an updraft as hot air and burning vapors rise, which is influenced by the heat radiated from the flames. In zero-gravity environments, flames take on different shapes due to the lack of rising air. The discussion touches on the implications of this behavior for rocket launches, suggesting that while hot air rebounds to the jets, the effect of convection is minimal compared to the thrust produced. The conversation also highlights the interplay between chemistry and physics in understanding fire dynamics. Overall, the unique properties of fire and thrust in varying gravitational conditions are intriguing to explore.
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Fire always points up. My thoughts are, the hot air it creates travels upwards, and with that, so do the firing photons within the atoms of the air, which would then create the image of the fire traveling upwards.

Am i right?
 
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Typically fire works something like this:
The fuel vaporizes, then the vapors burn. Since the vapors are hot, they radiate visible light. Since the air around them is hot, there is an updraft, so the hot material travels upwards.

In zero-g environments flames look different.
 
Originally posted by NateTG
In zero-g environments flames look different.

I'd like to see that!
Got a link?
 
Yep. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast12may_1.htm

No gravity, no rising air to shape the flame.
 
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Yep. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast12may_1.htm

Neat! So that means that when a spaceship is taking off, and the jets are facing down, you get more thrust because the hot air is rebounding back to the jets?
 
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That is SO COOL! How would that effect take off on the moon or mars?
Or would it matter because of the giant thrust?
 
Originally posted by Mattius_
Neat! So that means that when a spaceship is taking off, and the jets are facing down, you get more thrust because the hot air is rebounding back to the jets?
Thats more of "An equal and opposite reaction" Newton, flames burning, and the currents of air, that influence there shape, is more of a Chemistry > 'mixing' probelm/solution, with physics in the heat exchanges and molecular/atomic (subatomic, but I don't think/know if that's been explored) activities that arise as a result of all of the event(s) sequencing...sorta...
 
Originally posted by Mattius_
Neat! So that means that when a spaceship is taking off, and the jets are facing down, you get more thrust because the hot air is rebounding back to the jets?
Not really - the thrust is so high and the speed of the rocket so fast that convection has a minimal effect.
 
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