Understanding the Second Derivative

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of the second derivative in calculus, particularly in the context of a quiz question involving points on a graph. Participants are exploring the implications of the second derivative on the behavior of a function, specifically regarding concavity and points of inflection.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning their understanding of the second derivative as the "rate of change of the rate of change." They are discussing specific points on a graph (A and B) and their interpretations of which point represents a point of inflection. Some participants express confusion over the correct answer and the implications of the second derivative on the graph's concavity.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of different interpretations regarding the second derivative and its relationship to points of inflection. Some participants suggest that point B is the correct answer, while others express uncertainty and reference the choices made by their peers. The discussion reflects a mix of opinions and interpretations without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working from a quiz question that includes a graph, which is not visible in the thread. There is mention of a potential error in the quiz question itself, as well as varying interpretations of the second derivative and its implications for the graph's behavior.

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I'm having trouble thinking about the second derivative. I've been thinking of it as the rate of change of the rate of change, but that seems to have gotten me into some trouble.

This is a quiz question that I had:

http://i.imgur.com/WUMqY5C.jpg

Ignore the first part, as it should read f' < 0. This leaves only point A and B. I chose B since although the rate of change is negative, it's not accelerating or decelerating. It looks to be remaining rather constant. I think the correct answer is A, which doesn't make sense to me - the rate of change is decreasing, but it's decreasing faster and faster around the A point.

Can someone help me understand this concept?
 
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Chase. said:
I'm having trouble thinking about the second derivative. I've been thinking of it as the rate of change of the rate of change, but that seems to have gotten me into some trouble.

This is a quiz question that I had:

http://i.imgur.com/WUMqY5C.jpg

Ignore the first part, as it should read f' < 0. This leaves only point A and B. I chose B since although the rate of change is negative, it's not accelerating or decelerating. It looks to be remaining rather constant. I think the correct answer is A, which doesn't make sense to me - the rate of change is decreasing, but it's decreasing faster and faster around the A point.

Can someone help me understand this concept?

B sounds correct. The answer on the quiz may be wrong.
 
I'm not sure that A is the correct answer, but it was what a lot of other people picked. And if I'm not mistaken, isn't the second derivative the point of inflection? I think A better fits that profile.
 
Looks like to me that the answer is point B. Between A & B the graph is concave downward, and between B & C the graph is concave upward. The point of inflection is where concavity changes between upward and downward (or vice versa).

EDIT: I edited this post after I saw the previous responses.
 
Oh you're right... the point of inflection is point B. This obviously isn't the exact graph that was on the quiz but I tried to do a good depiction of it. I hope that B was the actual point of inflection.
 

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