Understanding the spectrum of frequencies

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The discussion focuses on the distinctions and relationships between electromagnetic (EM) waves and sound waves, exploring their properties, propagation methods, and whether they can be represented on the same frequency spectrum. Participants examine the nature of these waves, their mediums, and the implications of frequency on their classification.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that sound waves are cyclical vibrations in a medium, while EM waves do not require a medium for propagation.
  • There is a question about whether increasing the frequency of sound vibrations could transform them into EM waves, which some participants reject.
  • One participant argues that sound and EM waves are completely separate phenomena, akin to ocean waves or wind, with no direct relationship.
  • Another participant notes that while sound and EM waves can occupy the same frequency range (e.g., lightning generating both), they propagate differently and are detected by different mechanisms.
  • There is a discussion about whether the human eye can be considered a "radio receiver," with differing views on the nature of its detection mechanisms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the relationship between sound and EM waves, with some asserting they are completely separate and others exploring the nuances of their interactions and frequency overlaps. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of their similarities or differences.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of frequency on the classification of waves and the limitations of graphical representations that attempt to show both sound and EM waves on the same spectrum.

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What is the distinction between EM waves and Sound waves.

I know that sound is cyclical vibrations in some sort of medium. When the frequency increases, do these vibrations become EM waves?

I know that EM waves do not need a physical medium. But they are still energy, and sound is energy. So do they belong on the same diagram showing freqencies?

Are sound and EM waves completely separate things, or are they the same things but at different frequencies?

For instance, the frequency of an AC circuit. 60 hz. Does this produce a 60 hz sound wave in the air from the wire vibrating?

No it does not, be cause the thing that is oscilating is the potential in the conductor.

Is there some crossover point where energy vibrates in the EM spectrum and not in the sound spectrum?
 
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Jacobim said:
What is the distinction between EM waves and Sound waves.
They are no more related to one another than they are to ocean waves, or to the swaying of trees in the wind. Many different things can move back and forth for many different reasons, and the only thing they have in common is that they're waving back and forth.

I know that sound is cyclical vibrations in some sort of medium. When the frequency increases, do these vibrations become EM waves?

I know that EM waves do not need a physical medium. But they are still energy, and sound is energy. So do they belong on the same diagram showing freqencies?

Are sound and EM waves completely separate things, or are they the same things but at different frequencies?
No, no, and completely separate.
 
Understanding the spectrum of frequencies
What is the distinction between EM waves and Sound waves.

I know that sound is cyclical vibrations in some sort of medium. When the frequency increases, do these vibrations become EM waves?

No. The method by which energy propagates is totally different.

I think what's confused you is that they are sometimes shown on graphs that show sound down one end and light at the other. All these scales are trying to do is show the relative frequency range they occupy HOWEVER they don't do a very good ...

For example lightning generates both sound and electromagnetic waves in the 0-10KHz range. You can hear the sound waves because the ear is designed to detect air pressure waves. You can't hear the EM waves even though they are in the same frequency band because the ear is not a radio reciever. The sound waves produced by lightning propagate a relatively short distance through the air whereas the EM waves can be detected thousands of km away... if you have a radio reciever that convert the EM waves produced by lightning radio waves into sound waves..

http://theinspireproject.org/default.asp?contentID=1

So..

Are sound and EM waves completely separate things, or are they the same things but at different frequencies?

They are different things.

They can be at the same frequency or different.
 
Could it be said that the eye is a radio reciever?
 
Only (?) in that it also detects electromagnetic waves.

I believe the detection mechanisim in the eye involves complex chemical reactions rather than purely electrical processes.
 
Jacobim said:
Could it be said that the eye is a radio reciever?

No, "radio" is a specific band of the electromagnetic spectrum and the human eye does not respond to those frequencies.
 

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