Understanding Transformer Core Loss under Increasing Load on Secondary

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of transformer core loss when the load on the secondary side is increased. Participants explore the relationship between load, core loss, lamination thickness, and insulation materials used in transformer windings. The scope includes technical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to transformer design and operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether increasing the load on the secondary affects core loss, with one suggesting that core loss will only increase if the number of windings in the secondary is increased.
  • Another participant states that increasing the load on the secondary will increase the primary current, leading to increased I*R loss in the primary, which may decrease the volt-seconds seen by the core and thus reduce core loss.
  • One participant mentions that the most common lamination thickness for transformer cores is .014 inches.
  • Another participant identifies nomex as a common modern insulation material used in transformer windings.
  • A later reply outlines conditions under which core loss can increase, such as increasing primary voltage, decreasing primary frequency, or decreasing the number of primary turns, emphasizing that core loss is determined by the transformer's design without a secondary winding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of increased secondary load on core loss, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved regarding this relationship.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the operational conditions of the transformer, such as voltage and frequency, are not fully detailed, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these factors on core loss.

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1.If we increasing load on secondary of transformer core loss is same or not ?

2.what is the most common lamination thickness of transformer core?

3.some kind a paper we used in winding for insulation what is the name of this material?
 
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In number one, are you asking about the loss in the core or the total circuit? The only way the loss in the core is going to increase is if you increase windings in the secondary.
 
neduet said:
1.If we increasing load on secondary o-f transformer core loss is same or not ?

2.what is the most common lamination thickness of transformer core?

3.some kind a paper we used in winding for insulation what is the name of this material?

1. Increasing load on the secondary will increase the current in the primary. This increase will cause increased I*R loss in the primary, which will decrease the volt-seconds seen by the core. Since the flux in the core is proportional to the volt-seconds applied by the primary, the core flux will decrease, resulting in less core loss.

2. The most common lamination thickness is .014 inches.

3. The most common modern material is nomex, a synthetic paper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomex
 
For a conventional power transformer operating at 50 or 60 Hz, the core (magnetization in laminations) loss can increase only when

a) The primary voltage is increased (don't use a 120 Vac transformer on 220 Vac)

b) the primary frequency is decreased (Don't use a 60 Hz transformer on 50 Hz unless the mfgr states 50/60 Hz)

c) the number of primary turns is decreased (decreases inductance).

The core loss is determined entirely by the design of the transformer as an inductance w/o a secondary winding. The core probably goes up to ~1.4 Tesla peak; any increase will significantly increase losses.
Bob S
 
Thanks A lot Bob S and ernestpworrel (sorry for late)
 

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