Understanding Vector in EM Wave

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the vector nature of electromagnetic (EM) waves, particularly how the electric (E) and magnetic (H) fields behave as vectors in the context of wave propagation. Participants explore the relationship between these fields and their representation in both static and dynamic scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the vector nature of fields in EM waves compared to static fields, seeking clarification.
  • Another participant shares an animation link, noting that when time is frozen, both E and H field vectors appear as sinusoidal functions of distance, while running time shows them as sinusoidal functions of time.
  • A participant proposes that the direction of acceleration of a charge interacting with the wave depends on the phase of the wave at the time of interaction, suggesting a directional relationship based on the wave's phase.
  • A later reply confirms this idea and elaborates on the relationship between the magnitudes of E and B vectors and their derivatives, referencing Maxwell's equations to explain the behavior of the fields at different points in their cycles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between the fields and the behavior of charges in response to the EM wave, but the initial confusion about the vector nature indicates that not all aspects are fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify certain assumptions about the definitions of vector fields in different contexts or the implications of the wave's phase on charge behavior, leaving some aspects unresolved.

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Hey all. I don't really understand how the fields of an EM wave have a vector. I think I understand the vector of a static EM field, but I'm having trouble understanding it when it comes to an EM wave.
Could someone help me out a bit? Thanks. (I'm sure it's something simple that I just don't get at the moment. Self teaching is frustrating!)
 
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Check out the animation here:
http://mutuslab.cs.uwindsor.ca/schurko/animations/emwave/emwave.htm

As you are watching the animation notice:
If you freeze time (set T = 100 in animation) than both E and H field vectors are sinusoidal functions of distance from the origin.

If you run time (say T=3) but freeze your position both E and H field vectors are sinusoidal functions of time.
 
Is it simply that when the wave passes a charge, that charge will be accelerated in a particular direction depending on the phase of the wave at the time of the interaction? And the opposite direction when the phase is 180 degrees later?
 
Yes, that's it.

You can also notice looking at the animation that when both E and B vectors have zero magnitude (where they cross x-axis), they both have maximum partial derivative with respect to time, and maximum curl. When they have maximum magnitude (at their peaks) they both have zero partial with respect to time and zero curl. These reflect Maxwell's eqns.

[tex]\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=-\partial_t \vec{B}[/tex]
[tex]\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B}=\mu\epsilon\partial_t \vec{E}[/tex]
 

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