Understanding Wheel Rotation Force and Its Relationship to Wheel Characteristics

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The discussion revolves around the forces involved in the rotation of car wheels, specifically focusing on torque, the impact of wheel characteristics such as diameter and weight on the force required to maintain a specific rotation speed, and the effects of air drag at highway speeds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the force used to rotate a car wheel, questioning whether it is referred to as torque and how wheel characteristics influence the force needed for a specific rotation speed.
  • Another participant explains the relationship between power, torque, and angular velocity, providing a formula to calculate power in relation to torque and RPM.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on predicting how wheel diameter and weight affect the force required to maintain speed.
  • Discussion includes the significant role of air drag as a retarding force at highway speeds, with a participant providing calculations for power needed to overcome drag and the corresponding torque and horizontal force at the wheels.
  • Concerns are raised about the weight of the wheel affecting the suspension system rather than directly impacting the force required for rotation.
  • Mathematical relationships are presented, linking power, force, and velocity in the context of car performance.

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The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on how wheel characteristics affect force requirements, and while some calculations are provided, there is no consensus on the predictive models or the overall impact of these characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific effects of wheel diameter and weight on force requirements, and the discussion does not resolve these uncertainties. The calculations provided depend on various assumptions, such as the conditions of the road and the characteristics of the vehicle.

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hello

can you tell analyze please the force that is used to round the wheel of a car? I mean, how is this force called? is it torque?

also, how does wheel characteristics affect the needed force to maintain a specific rotation speed? eg wheel weight, dimensions (both diameter and thickness of the wheel, which thickness indicates the distance from the horizontal distance of some points of the wheel from the rotation axis, etc)

thanks
 
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The power P (watts) to propel a car is the torque T (Newton-meters) x angular velocity (radians per second). This may be written as

P = T x 2 pi RPM/60

The wheel torque in turn is equal to the wheel radius R times the horizontal azimuthal force F of the wheel pushing on the road. The vertical force of the wheel on the road does not enter the equation until the horizontal force approaches the static friction limit.

Bob S
 
thanks for your reply

however how can we predict how wheel characteristics will affect the needed force to maintain a specific speed?

I am talking about wheel diameter and wheel weight

thanks
 
The biggest retarding force on a car at highway speeds is air drag. The power to maintain constant speed to overcome air drag is given by

Pdrag = torque (Newton-meters) x angular velocity (radians per second).

This power is very roughly 30,000 watts, and varies as the cube of speed. This applies to the engine, or to the drive wheels. The only difference (neglecting power loss in the transmission) is that the drive wheels have a ~ 4 times lower RPM and 4 times higher torque.

This may be rewritten

Pdrag = torque x 2 pi RPM/60

At highway speed, the drive wheels are spinning at perhaps ~900 RPM, and varies inversely with wheel radius. So for 30,000 watts, the wheels torque is (are, for two drive wheels)

Torque = 30,000 x 60/(2 pi RPM) = 318 Newton-meters
(sum for both drive wheels, two wheel drive)

Suppose the wheel radius is 0.3 meters

Then the horizontal force at the roadway propelling the car forward is

F = 318 Newton-meters/0.3 meters = 1061 Newtons (both wheels)

This is a horizontal force at the roadway by the circumference of the tire(s).

The weight of the wheel, and of the vehicle itself, is a vertical force pushing the tire down on the road. For a 1500 Kg car, this downward force is about 1500/4 x 9.81 =~ 3700 Newtons per wheel. As long as the downward force is more than twice the horizontal force (except on sand or ice), the wheel will not slip.

The weight of the wheel itself is mainly a concern for the suspension system, in terms of th suspension spring constant (F = -kx) and the needed damping (shock absorber) to damp resonances and keep the wheel on the road.[added] here is a tire calculator:
http://www.carforums.net/tirecalc.php

[added #2] Power can be represented by force x velocity. So a car with a forward horizontal wheel force of 1081 Newtons and a speed of 27.75 meters per second is using a wheel power of

P = 1081 Newtons x 27.75 m/s = 30,000 watts

Bob S
 
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