Uniform Distribution, Absolute Value

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The problem involves finding the cumulative distribution function (CDF) of the absolute value of a random variable X, which is uniformly distributed over the interval (-1, 3). Participants are exploring whether the transformed variable |X| is uniformly distributed and over what interval this might occur.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the transformation Y = |X| and its implications for the distribution. There is debate about the intervals for Y and whether it can be uniformly distributed given the derived probability density functions (PDFs) over different subintervals.

Discussion Status

There is active exploration of the properties of the distribution of Y. Some participants suggest that Y may not be uniformly distributed overall, while others consider the characteristics of the PDFs on subintervals. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the expectations of the problem and the definitions of uniform distributions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the question specifically asks for the CDF and raises concerns about the integration of the PDFs over the specified intervals. There is also mention of confusion regarding the criteria for uniform distributions in relation to the derived PDFs.

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Homework Statement


Find the CDF of |X|, given that X is a random variable, uniformly distributed over (-1,3).

Is |X| uniformly distributed? If yes, over what interval?

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The Attempt at a Solution



I found so far that:

Setting Y=|X|

Then: Y [tex]\in[/tex] (1,3)

[tex]F_{Y}(y)=P\left\{Y\leq y\right\}=P\left\{-y\leq X\leq y \right\}= F_{X}(y)-F_{X}(-y)[/tex]

This sums up to:

[tex]F_{Y}(y)= \frac{1}{2}y[/tex]

and differentiating gives the PDF of Y:

[tex]f_{Y}(y)= \frac{1}{2}[/tex]

So it seems Y IS uniformly distributed on (1,3).

My question is, since Y is on a different interval than X, and X is 0 for values less than -1, isn't this the case:

[tex]F_{X}(-y)=0[/tex] for Y [tex]\in[/tex] (1,3)?

If so, then the term disappears in the calculation above, and Y's PDF would be [tex]\frac{1}{4}[/tex]

But tehn this is not even a valid PDF, since integrating over (1,3) doesn't equal 1!

Any ideas?

Thanks!
 
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Hi IniquiTrance! :smile:
IniquiTrance said:
Find the CDF of |X|, given that X is a random variable, uniformly distributed over (-1,3).

I found so far that:

Setting Y=|X|

Then: Y [tex]\in[/tex] (1,3)

Noooo :redface:
 
So if X is 0, what is Y?

You have written that the density of Y at 0 is zero.
 
Ahhh! Big doors always turn on small hinges! :blushing:

So, I guess I should approach it piecewise.

On (1,3), X and Y share the same PDF, viz., [tex]\frac{1}{4}[/tex].

Ad it's on (0,1) that:

[tex]f_{Y}(y)= \frac{1}{2}[/tex]

Is this right?
 
And Y does not have a uniform distribution, since it does not have a PDF = [tex]\frac{1}{b-a}[/tex] on either sub-interval.
 
Well, to be uniform it would have to have a constant density function over the entire interval, not just some subinterval. But the rest is okay.
 
Hi IniquiTrance! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)
IniquiTrance said:
And Y does not have a uniform distribution, since it does not have a PDF = [tex]\frac{1}{b-a}[/tex] on either sub-interval.

But does it have a uniform distribution on either sub-interval separately?

(and don't forget that the question asked for the CDF)
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi IniquiTrance! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)


But does it have a uniform distribution on either sub-interval separately?

(and don't forget that the question asked for the CDF)


Hmm, doesn't a uniform distribution have to have a PDF given by:

[tex] \frac{1}{b-a}[/tex]

I know that on the two subintervals, the PDF's are constants: 1/2 on [0,1), and 1/4 on [1,3). But neither integrates to 1 over the subinterval.

Can they still be uniform distributions notwithstanding the above?
 
Well, it's an odd way of putting it, that I've not come across before, but in view of the wording of the question …
IniquiTrance said:
Is |X| uniformly distributed? If yes, over what interval?

… I'm confused as to what answer is expected. :redface:
 
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tiny-tim said:
Well, it's an odd way of putting it, that I've not come across before, but in view of the wording of the question …


… I'm confused as to what answer is expected. :redface:

Right, I stil can't decide. From researching up to the 30th page of a google search, it seems that the criterion for a uniform distribution is that its PDF = [tex] <br /> \frac{1}{b-a}<br /> [/tex]
over (a,b).

I still couldn't find anything attacking the question directly, of given the PDF doesn't equal that quotient, but is constant over a subinterval, is it still uniformly distributed there?
 
  • #11
IniquiTrance said:
… I still couldn't find anything attacking the question directly, of given the PDF doesn't equal that quotient, but is constant over a subinterval, is it still uniformly distributed there?

Well, I'd say it is :smile:, but I've no idea what the official answer would be. :redface:
 
  • #12
It seems like it should since the idea is that the probability of the variable occurring in some interval is dependent only on the length of the interval, whenever the PDF is constant, which is the unique feature of uniform distributions.

Thanks very much for your help! :biggrin:
 

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